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Big poll about the Jazz strategies

What should the Jazz try doing during this offseason and the upcoming season?

  • (1) Go full tank in 2024-25

    Votes: 45 68.2%

  • (1) Try to be competitive in 2024-25

    Votes: 14 21.2%

  • (2) Draft and keep three rookies in 2024

    Votes: 16 24.2%

  • (2) Consolidate or trade some 2024 picks

    Votes: 32 48.5%

  • (3) Sign good players in free agency with the intention to keep them long-term

    Votes: 11 16.7%

  • (3) Use the cap space to sign potential projects or to take bad contracts for picks

    Votes: 28 42.4%

  • (4) Keep Lauri

    Votes: 36 54.5%

  • (4) Trade Lauri

    Votes: 20 30.3%

  • (5) Keep Sexton

    Votes: 22 33.3%

  • (5) Trade Sexton

    Votes: 27 40.9%

  • (6) Keep and develop Kessler

    Votes: 27 40.9%

  • (6) Trade Kessler

    Votes: 17 25.8%

  • (7) Keep Collins (or at least wait to trade him until the next offseason)

    Votes: 10 15.2%

  • (7) Trade Collins

    Votes: 38 57.6%
  • Total voters
    66
So do all the people who want to trade Sexton want to trade him to tank harder? Cash out after playing well? Or dont believe in him? I am surprised that many people want to trade him.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I really dont get this following the OKC path. They tanked and picked up great players, but the real difference maker is their MVP level player in SGA that they traded for and got lucky. Without that level player you are following a very different path.
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Well is there a young SGA that could be gotten through a trade at the moment?

If there is one, then trading Markanen to get him would also be a great option as the young budding star would be a better for fit our timeline.
 
The Midnight said:
Well is there a young SGA that could be gotten through a trade at the moment?

If there is one, then trading Markanen to get him would also be a great option as the young budding star would be a better for fit our timeline.
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No.


I am pretty firmly against trading Lauri. We wont get back enough to be worth it and it puts us in tanking and being at the bottom of the league for at least 4 more years.

You are not going to find a trade like SGA. OKC got extremely lucky picking up a decent looking rookie who just put up 10 ppg. No one on either side thought he would turn into what he is now. If for some reason there was a young guy attainable that the Jazz thought had that kind of potential I guess we could go for it. You might as well hope Keyonte turns into that level player than a trade like that happening for us.

Maybe Kings trade Keegan Murray. I havent really watched him but people seem pretty high on him. But Kings fans seem like they wouldnt even trade him straight up for Lauri and his upside doesnt seem anywhere near super star to me. Or even way less likely OKC gets desperate and trades Jalen Green for Lauri and Kessler or something. But I seriously doubt OKC does that and I dont see him being super star level. Maybe he hits the level Lauri is. Maybe Amen from Houston. I think we could get him but his shot seems broken and that likely prevents him from being great.
 
The Midnight said:
I was thinking this too "the time for full tank was 2 years ago". I felt like we wasted 2 years doing half hearted tanks.

But - had we gone full tank 2 years ago who were really franchise changing (except Wimby)? I don't see it.

Also this year's draft hasn't shown me anyone who could potentially turn into a top 10 or even top 20 some day.

So maybe the time to tank is really from this year onwards rather than the past 2 years.

The point is to really commit to it and no more half hearted tanks from now on.
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Might be right and if you are then we probably need to trade Lauri

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The Midnight said:
Well is there a young SGA that could be gotten through a trade at the moment?

If there is one, then trading Markanen to get him would also be a great option as the young budding star would be a better for fit our timeline.
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Or a Jalen brunson?
The answer to your question is maybe.

There is simply no way to know. When OKC traded for SGA they didn't know he would be an MVP level player.

Clippers didn't know sga was going to become an MVP level player or they wouldn't have traded him.

There might be a young player out there who will be a future MVP candidate that a team would be willing trade to us but no one knows what player that is.

Same thing with draft picks. Other than rare exceptions (LeBron, wemby, etc)

Btw we kind of almost did it when we traded Donovan. He was all star level but not MVP level and we traded him for a guy nobody thought all that much of that was underutilized and that player (Lauri) was quickly an all star level player.


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1. Try to be competitive

Honestly I would do the same strategy that has been done the last two years. I know some people hate that, but I think it's been productive. There's no way you're trading Clarkson/Collins for anything of value unless you put them in positions to succeed around a functional roster. The West will be strong so it wont be hard to do a half-season tank that gives you good odds on a top pick while making the players you want to trade look good and your young guys get quality experience trying to win.

2. Consolidate picks

I just dont think having 3 rookies on top of the 3 second year players is productive (especially when considering you have 3 picks in an expected stronger draft next year). If they do keep the picks, I would prioritize stash guys like Nunez/Dadiet/Djurisis (not that these guys have to be stashed, but I assume it's an option) or upperclassmen like Scheirman/Dillon Jones/Enrique Freeman over 18/19 year old projects.

3. Use cap-space to sign projects/bad contracts.

Just dont think there is any clear FA that I have to have. But this would also be entirely dependent on who we draft and who we trade. If we are trading Kessler and arent drafting a center, I would be interested in Hartenstein or Goga. KJ Martin/Naji Marshall would also be interesting if they were cheap. DeReon Seabron is a RFA 2-way guy, if he isnt picked up by New Orleans I would want him. Maybe there is a really quality character vet out there who doesnt mind not playing and is happy just collecting a check for being cool, I would sign a guy like that as well.

4. Keep Lauri

It would have to be a truly special package for me to move him. I wouldnt want a bunch of random/mid-tier quality picks. I would need a blue chip prospect w/ a blue-chip potential pick along w/ the mid tier picks.

5. Keep Sexton

Hardest choice of them all. It would be much easier for me to trade Sexton than Lauri. If we moved up in the draft to take a Castle I would move him. If he somehow got us a starting quality wing, I would move him.

6. Trade Kessler

Easiest choice tbh. I really want Edey in this draft and I would also be very excited to sign Hartenstein.

7. Trade Collins

If you can do it without giving up anything of significance, sure, but if not, just keep him. He should improve his value this year by playing better and having one less year on his contract.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Or a Jalen brunson?
The answer to your question is maybe.

There is simply no way to know. When OKC traded for SGA they didn't know he would be an MVP level player.

Clippers didn't know sga was going to become an MVP level player or they wouldn't have traded him.

There might be a young player out there who will be a future MVP candidate that a team would be willing trade to us but no one knows what player that is.

Same thing with draft picks. Other than rare exceptions (LeBron, wemby, etc)

Btw we kind of almost did it when we traded Donovan. He was all star level but not MVP level and we traded him for a guy nobody thought all that much of that was underutilized and that player (Lauri) was quickly an all star level player.


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Yeah so off the top of my head the "OKC strategy" might be to follow the following steps 1-4:

Step 1. Trade for (or Draft) a potential future All Star
Step 2. Accumulate picks as many as you can
Step 3. Be really bad a few years to develop young players
Step 4. Fill in the blanks and shoot for the moon

We currently have 2 and are starting to do 3, and 4 can be done relatively easily.

But we don't currently have Step 1.

It requires skill and a bit of luck for sure, but we now really need to focus on accomplishing Step 1 be that through the draft or trades.
 
The Midnight said:
Yeah so off the top of my head the "OKC strategy" might be to follow the following steps 1-4:

Step 1. Trade for (or Draft) a potential future All Star
Step 2. Accumulate picks as many as you can
Step 3. Be really bad a few years to develop young players
Step 4. Fill in the blanks and shoot for the moon

We currently have 2 and are starting to do 3, and 4 can be done relatively easily.

But we don't currently have Step 1.

It requires skill and a bit of luck for sure, but we now really need to focus on accomplishing Step 1 be that through the draft or trades.
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The Jazz traded for Lauri, who became an all-star.
 
The Jazz have done nearly everything right other than trading for Collins and not getting lucky in the lottery.


Hopefully the Jazz pull off their version of OKC's 2022 draft in they get a top 3 player in the class in the back end of the lottery. That's the most important step of all these "models/strategies" you have to pick the best player that everyone else passed on.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I almost spit out my water I was drinking when I read this.
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My turn on Sexton has been well documented even though some enjoy just acting like I'm only a hater of his.

He's really good and trading really good players is generally not a great idea if you're trying to build your team up. It's a weird position because I would like to trade him (becaues I genuinely believe size is the most important thing to build around and small guards are one of the easiest value propositions when acquiring players), but I need a team to really recognize his value.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
My turn on Sexton has been well documented even though some enjoy just acting like I'm only a hater of his.

He's really good and trading really good players is generally not a great idea if you're trying to build your team up. It's a weird position because I would like to trade him (becaues I genuinely believe size is the most important thing to build around and small guards are one of the easiest value propositions when acquiring players), but I need a team to really recognize his value.
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Truthfully I really respect your ability to change your opinion. You just go after takes so hard, that it does make me smile a little when you take these hard turns.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz traded for Lauri, who became an all-star.
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I think he is talking more about getting an MVP caliber player rather than an all star caliber player though

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The Midnight said:
Yep you got the gist of it, thanks.
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On the other hand..... How does one become an MVP contender?
#1 put up great stats. Lauri can check that box
#2 have one of the very best teams in the league.

What if sexton kept up his great play and we leveled up everyone in the roster around Lauri (like a Draymond green level guy, a klay Thompson level guy, Sexton playing at an all star level and then some super role players like the dudes all over the Knicks and Mavs rosters)?

Let's say Lauri is averaging 25/26 points per game on 50% from the field, 40% from 3 and 90% from the line and 8 rebounds and the team is the 2nd seed in the west. Is Lauri in the MVP conversation like SGA?

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