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Finally, The Jazz

Considering they were close to dead last that means they have to be now near or right at the top, so I think they will end in the top 10 overall the way they are playing right now.
 
The main thing I remember about Dennis Lindsay when he would talk about Ty was that he was asking for improvement defensively. He didn't ask to be the best team in the league defensively, not even top ten, just moving in the right direction. For Quin Snyder to take a team from last place defensively to top ten in the same season is insane. We have ourselves a coach and a few franchise players.
 
b_line said:
The main thing I remember about Dennis Lindsay when he would talk about Ty was that he was asking for improvement defensively. He didn't ask to be the best team in the league defensively, not even top ten, just moving in the right direction. For Quin Snyder to take a team from last place defensively to top ten in the same season is insane. We have ourselves a coach and a few franchise players.
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They're not top 10 yet. But I think there are enough games to get there at rate they're going.
 
My favorite part of that link is that the Jazz are the 2nd youngest team in the NBA, after only the 76ers.
 
nightmare3983 said:
Have made it into the top half of the league in defensive efficiency for the entire season, and are right at the league average.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html#misc::9

Can the Jazz break into the top 10 by the end of the season?
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Full season stats for this team are meaningless. They need to be judged by the second half of the season only, when the coaches work kicked in and the line-ups were pretty well set. The 6-19 start means nothing now.
 
zman1527 said:
Full season stats for this team are meaningless. They need to be judged by the second half of the season only, when the coaches work kicked in and the line-ups were pretty well set. The 6-19 start means nothing now.
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If only we could cherry pick the games that counted in the standings...
 
nightmare3983 said:
Have made it into the top half of the league in defensive efficiency for the entire season, and are right at the league average.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html#misc::9

Can the Jazz break into the top 10 by the end of the season?
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Jazz would have been better than 15th in defense if they had a big who could honestly spread the floor for Kanter. Packing the paint with two bigs was a defensive liability that gave up lots of fast break points allowed. You don't see OKC having this problem with Kanter.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
Jazz would have been better than 15th in defense if they had a big who could honestly spread the floor for Kanter. Packing the paint with two bigs was a defensive liability that gave up lots of fast break points allowed. You don't see OKC having this problem with Kanter.
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/sigh

Anything you say about Kanter and OKC right now is meaningless and subject to the return of their real starters. There is only one reason why OKC didn't crash and burn after losing KD and Ibaka ... and it ain't Kanter.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
Jazz would have been better than 15th in defense if they had a big who could honestly spread the floor for Kanter. Packing the paint with two bigs was a defensive liability that gave up lots of fast break points allowed. You don't see OKC having this problem with Kanter.
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Nobody gives a **** about that guy who doesn't play here anymore, so have a nice cup of STFU.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
Jazz would have been better than 15th in defense if they had a big who could honestly spread the floor for Kanter. Packing the paint with two bigs was a defensive liability that gave up lots of fast break points allowed. You don't see OKC having this problem with Kanter.
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Actually, they do. OKC went from 101 drtg to 106.4 drtg with Kanter. That's a change from 9th to 27th.
 
Dumb Bloke said:
Jazz would have been better than 15th in defense if they had a big who could honestly spread the floor for Kanter. Packing the paint with two bigs was a defensive liability that gave up lots of fast break points allowed. You don't see OKC having this problem with Kanter.
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Someone must've forgot to read this gay, I mean guy a bedtime story.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
https://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612760/stats/advanced/

Easy, since it's a pre/post all-star break split.

Though truthfully, there is one game OKC played post all star break without Kanter, so whatever happened that game affects the numbers.

EDIT:

DRTG for the post all star game that Kanter didn't play was 86.8.

So yeah.
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Thanks. Here's a good find from there as well.

With Kanter on the court, OKC has DRtg of 109.7 compared to 103.4 when he's off the court. That's not surprising. But the fun one is that their ORtg is 109.0 with Kanter on the court compared to 108.5 with him off the court. They're a little better on offense with Kanter on the floor, but significantly worse on defense.
 
nightmare3983 said:
Thanks. Here's a good find from there as well.

With Kanter on the court, OKC has DRtg of 109.7 compared to 103.4 when he's off the court. That's not surprising. But the fun one is that their ORtg is 109.0 with Kanter on the court compared to 108.5 with him off the court. They're a little better on offense with Kanter on the floor, but significantly worse on defense.
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And that's the point that I think will become more obvious is they decide to sign him. While he's good on offense, whose touches is he going to take away? I don't see him being an option over KD and Westbrook if both are in the game. He would probably be a better offensive option than Ibaka in that lineup, so that means he is the 3rd option. He may occasionally get a 20 point game in that lineup, but I wouldn't see it happening very often. And if he's not scoring 20 points a game, what is the point in having him? His defense is that bad. Having the other defenders cover for his deficiencies only makes sense if he's a consistent scorer in that lineup ... which I don't see happening.

Off the bench, he would be a great option for them, but OKC isn't going to pay him that much to come off the bench and he doesn't want that role either.
 
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