CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

[Harambe]

I'm mainly bitching about obamacare. My premiums have gone up from $450 to close to $800. If I was making what I make and my company didnt offer insurance I would get help from the govt and would be paying around $120. Or if I didnt have a job I'd be paying $50 or so. But because my company offers insurance I get no help and am paying A LOT more than I did before obamacare. I have yet to meet someone who is middle class that hasn't been screwed by obamacare.

And that sucks my friend. I'm so sorry for that. I've seen an increase in my insurance rate as well, $10 a check or $260/year(single white male).

The benefits have been:

Helping lower income families get insured
Lowering, dramatically, the amount of unpaid hospital bills
Along with CMS guidelines and quality measures, curbing the increase in spending per capita per year(2006 it was near 8%, and still below 3% even though the economy is back on track)**
Can not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions
More ad-nauseum

I don't like that my insurance company is pocketing that money... it was used as an excuse to increase premiums. But we're gonna take a loss sometimes. For the benefits provided, even with some abusers, I really don't mind.

** Yes, I remember the promise of saving $2500 a year. But if you continue from 2006 with the 8.5% increase per year, you'll get the number they promised.

 

[Harambe]

I am all for that. It just sucks when you are trying to keep your family fed and housed and barely doing it and your bills keep going up to cover someone elses asses. I appreciate the idea of obamacare as the system was already broken, its just become a different kind of broken imo.

You're totally right bro. It needs further revision. But until we can get the jackwagons in congress to work with it instead of against it, there's just no chance.

 

[Beer]

And that sucks my friend. I'm so sorry for that. I've seen an increase in my insurance rate as well, $10 a check or $260/year(single white male).

The benefits have been:

Helping lower income families get insured
Lowering, dramatically, the amount of unpaid hospital bills
Along with CMS guidelines and quality measures, curbing the increase in spending per capita per year(2006 it was near 8%, and still below 3% even though the economy is back on track)**
Can not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions
More ad-nauseum

I don't like that my insurance company is pocketing that money... it was used as an excuse to increase premiums. But we're gonna take a loss sometimes. For the benefits provided, even with some abusers, I really don't mind.

** Yes, I remember the promise of saving $2500 a year. But if you continue from 2006 with the 8.5% increase per year, you'll get the number they promised.

Isn't that what medicare (?) was for?

I do work for a company that benefits greatly from the new CMS regulations so that is good for me I guess.

 

[NAOS]

A pile of money isn't something to be proud of?

inherently? Not at all. Not even ****ing close. What about the pile of money that was thrown into swiss banks after the jews were killed? Should anybody have been proud of that? Surely you see the disastrous assumptions your making. Why did you backpedal from MEANING and MONEY?

 

[Siro]

inherently? Not at all. Not even ****ing close. What about the pile of money that was thrown into swiss banks after the jews were killed? Should anybody have been proud of that? Surely you see the disastrous assumptions your making. Why did you backpedal from MEANING and MONEY?

I don't see where he used "meaning" in that context.

 

[Carbon13]

Flat Taxes are an awful idea-- 10% of a dude making $120000 a year means that maybe he can only stay in Hawaii for one week on his annual vacation, as opposed to two.

10% for a family making $40000 a year means that their kids could go to sleep hungry every now and then.


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But doesnt that kinda give credence to the whole class warfare thing? I think there is merit to the class warfare argument.

 

[Harambe]

Isn't that what medicare (?) was for?

I do work for a company that benefits greatly from the new CMS regulations so that is good for me I guess.

Didn't cover a lot of it. Moreso, even the medicare expansion the government was giving out money to start, the same one that a lot of states(including Utah) didn't go through with doesn't cover a lot of things.

And what if you had a job, but had a pre-existing condition?

 

[Deleted member 848]

But doesnt that kinda give credence to the whole class warfare thing? I think there is merit to the class warfare argument.

Class-warfare is just a fear-mongering term. Any movements done to try and address income inequality are immediately considered "class warfare". Baffling.


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[Harambe]

inherently? Not at all. Not even ****ing close. What about the pile of money that was thrown into swiss banks after the jews were killed? Should anybody have been proud of that? Surely you see the disastrous assumptions your making. Why did you backpedal from MEANING and MONEY?

You're putting the cart way, way, way before the horse. Like, the cart is next to the field, and the horse hasn't been born yet.

I tried to make it simpler before, so lets try it again, and get personal.

What are you, NAOS, most proud of in this life?

 

[Siro]

Class-warfare is just a fear-mongering term. Any movements done to try and address income inequality are immediately considered "class warfare". Baffling.


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Curious. Why is income inequality something that should be addressed?

 

[NAOS]

I don't see where he used "meaning" in that context.

obviously you have excellent investigation skills.

 

[Siro]

obviously you have excellent investigation skills.

I would ask you what you mean, but I'm afraid you'll go on a sentimental rant about your place in the universe.

 

[NAOS]

You're putting the cart way, way, way before the horse. Like, the cart is next to the field, and the horse hasn't been born yet.

I tried to make it simpler before, so lets try it again, and get personal.

What are you, NAOS, most proud of in this life?

you realize there is a record of everything we've written to each other, right?

let me say this again: the comparative that you're trying to erect between pride and money and taxation and whatever is fundamentally broken. It's a bad question. The best thing to do with bad questions is to ignore them.

Why don't you review what's been said and then ask a better one. Or, at least fess up to the fact that you've made some wild assumptions and we can both move on.

You've been spot on about a lot of things. And I've championed you for them. I think you've let winning get to your head here.

 

[NAOS]

I would ask you what you mean, but I'm afraid you'll go on a sentimental rant about your place in the universe.

wow you suxxxxxx

 

[franklin]

But if you were talking about Reaganomics proven to be false, you're right.

"Reaganomics" was supply side policy in a supply constrained environment, and it worked pretty damn well in that environment.

 

[Siro]

wow you suxxxxxx

About as rational an argument as you've ever made.

 

[Beer]

Didn't cover a lot of it. Moreso, even the medicare expansion the government was giving out money to start, the same one that a lot of states(including Utah) didn't go through with doesn't cover a lot of things.

And what if you had a job, but had a pre-existing condition?

Sucks for you I guess. Like I said the system was broken. Its just broken differently. If I made more money I'd probably have less of a problem with more being taken to help others. Selfish I guess but its just reality. I'm not in a position to be footing the bill for others problems.

 

[Harambe]

you realize there is a record of everything we've written to each other, right?

let me say this again: the comparative that you're trying to erect between pride and money and taxation and whatever is fundamentally broken. It's a bad question. The best thing to do with bad questions is to ignore them.

Why don't you review what's been said and then ask a better one. Or, at least fess up to the fact that you've made some wild assumptions and we can both move on.

You've been spot on about a lot of things. And I've championed you for them. I think you've let winning get to your head here.

Stop talking, and answer my question.

 

[franklin]

If only there was a working social model provided by a society that could provide this for every child, not just the children of those who've made it. After all, why should a child have to pay for their parents mistakes?

Perhaps we'd need a robust organizational system that has the tools to make this available....

There isn't? Schooling here is cheap as hell if you want it to be. Anyone with a pulse can afford a 4 year degree, debt free.

 

[Harambe]

Sucks for you I guess. Like I said the system was broken. Its just broken differently. If I made more money I'd probably have less of a problem with more being taken to help others. Selfish I guess but its just reality. I'm not in a position to be footing the bill for others problems.

You and me both buddy.