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Official Derren Wiliams is a Bitch Thread

Who's side are you on?

  • DWill's

    Votes: 20 38.5%

  • Sloan's

    Votes: 32 61.5%
  • Total voters
    52
Archie Moses said:
Why?

If you want to talk about stuff, dude, then do.

I mean, I'm sure some of the guys reporting stuff in the media "know" more about what happened or what's going on then we do for the fact that they've been there, or talked to more reliable sources than guys like Numberica and you, sir. Just saying.
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and until official sources come out and say it was all dwill or some other player, I guess we just have to take the facts as they are presented to us by the "guys reporting stuff". Otherwise you're basing your comments on pure speculation. I guess I don't care to speculate on something that is based off of "feel".
 
Mr. McGibblets said:
Yes I think Deron had a part in it, but no more than Malone, Ostertag, Giracek, etc. had parts in it. I think Jerry was just worn down and didn't want to go through the battles anymore that coaches have to go through with players.
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+1.

We're a bunch of internet tough guys who have no clue how truly competitive individuals deal with each other in a team concept. If you have players who don't push back off the court, you probably have players who don't push back on the court. There comes a time, however, when players/coaches just aren't willing to push back. Looks like it was Jerry Sloan's time.
 
m3at said:
and until official sources come out and say it was all dwill or some other player, I guess we just have to take the facts as they are presented to us by the "guys reporting stuff". Otherwise you're basing your comments on pure speculation. I guess I don't care to speculate on something that is based off of "feel".
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This is a fan message board, guy. Realize that!
 
Mr. McGibblets said:
Yes I think Deron had a part in it, but no more than Malone, Ostertag, Giracek, etc. had parts in it. I think Jerry was just worn down and didn't want to go through the battles anymore that coaches have to go through with players.

Let's PLEASE not blame this on Deron or boo him or whatever. Why run him out of town?
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Giracek is a great example of a player butting heads with Sloan. Where is Giri now....
 
Archie Moses said:
You realize some of my posts were being sarcastic, right? I haven't come a "absolute" conclusion on what happened. However, I do feel and have seen DWill's attitude and I have an opinion on that. If the stuff is true, it's really sad to me. This is a discussion board, guy. When stuff is saying Sloan and DWill almost threw, you bet your bottom buck I'm going to have an opinion on it, cause it's fun.
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If youre not absolute then why start a thread like this? Stop being emotional.
 
Personally, it all stemmed from Sloan telling Deron he had the wrong number when Deron called and asked Sloan to help him move. It never got off to a good start between those two since that time.
 
I'm haunted by the fact that this happened mid-season. . . that HUGE FACT seems to be lost in this thread. To me, this is VERY UNLIKE Sloan and his philosophy. If he had stepped down at the end of the season and reports had surfaced that he had had conflicts with players, then I'd be slightly irked. But.... this sudden!?!?!?

This is a terrible end, and I think it is very reasonable to be suspicious of any player that fed into this dynamic. We are now OFFICIALLY a team with major chemistry issues, and speculation about that chemistry will just feedback into the current poor conditions.

It is conceivable that even if Deron wasn't a major force in Sloan's frustrations the very speculation that he was will be enough to alter the mood of this team.

I appreciate the complexity that some posters are bringing into this situation, but let's not white-wash the fact that sturdiest coach in sporting history just stepped the **** down in the middle of a ****ing season. wow.
 
Archie Moses said:
This is a fan message board, guy. Realize that!
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Great. I didn't realize that. Kinda like you don't realize that the official word is that Sloan stepped down on his own. All you're doing is dragging a player through the mud with zero facts to back it up. Otherwise, you're a stand up guy, guy.
 
NAOS said:
I'm haunted by the fact that this happened mid-season. . . that HUGE FACT seems to be lost in this thread. To me, this is VERY UNLIKE Sloan and his philosophy. If he had stepped down at the end of the season and reports had surfaced that he had had conflicts with players, then I'd be slightly irked. But.... this sudden!?!?!?

This is a terrible end, and I think it is very reasonable to be suspicious of any player that fed into this dynamic. We are now OFFICIALLY a team with major chemistry issues, and speculation about that chemistry will just feedback into the current poor conditions.

It is conceivable that even if Deron wasn't a major force in Sloan's frustrations the very speculation that he was will be enough to alter the mood of this team.

I appreciate the complexity that some posters are bringing into this situation, but let's not white-wash the fact that sturdiest coach in sporting history just stepped the **** down in the middle of a ****ing season. wow.
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There are no absolutes in life. Sometimes things happen regardless of the previous history.
 
NAOS said:
I'm haunted by the fact that this happened mid-season. . . that HUGE FACT seems to be lost in this thread. To me, this is VERY UNLIKE Sloan and his philosophy. If he had stepped down at the end of the season and reports had surfaced that he had had conflicts with players, then I'd be slightly irked. But.... this sudden!?!?!?

This is a terrible end, and I think it is very reasonable to be suspicious of any player that fed into this dynamic. We are now OFFICIALLY a team with major chemistry issues, and speculation about that chemistry will just feedback into the current poor conditions.

It is conceivable that even if Deron wasn't a major force in Sloan's frustrations the very speculation that he was will be enough to alter the mood of this team.

I appreciate the complexity that some posters are bringing into this situation, but let's not white-wash the fact that sturdiest coach in sporting history just stepped the **** down in the middle of a ****ing season. wow.
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Layden did the same thing. It was just as perplexing.
 
I am The Troutbum, and I support and approve of this thread. Up yours Mr. Williams, up yours.
 
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