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InGameStrategy said:
Just say no to Babbitt. We already have endured five years of poor-defending starting PF and C; the Jazz don't need to blow their second top 10 pick in as many years on another poor defender. I don't care if he can shoot 40% from Temple Square to the ESA. If he can't defend, no darft.
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+1

Ed Davis, Aldrich, Aminu or trade up or down
 
David Stern said:
The Jazz supposedly wanted to bring back Whiteside for another workout, which could mean nothing. I'd bet the Jazz are taking a serious look at him, just based on potential alone.
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Whiteside didn't refuse to come back; his agent scheduled him for additional workouts with teams higher up in the draft. Nothing wrong with that.
If he slips down to the 20's, I HOPE KOC is doing all he can to get an additional pick.
 
InGameStrategy said:
Just say no to Babbitt. We already have endured five years of poor-defending starting PF and C; the Jazz don't need to blow their second top 10 pick in as many years on another poor defender. I don't care if he can shoot 40% from Temple Square to the ESA. If he can't defend, no darft.
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We've also endured five + years of having a SF who can't hit consistently from outside of 8-ft, whose "go-to" move consists of driving wildly into the lane, flailing his arms up in the air, and hoping the ref will give him 2 shots. Yes, you can argue he gives the team "intangibles" and plays great defense. Well, sometimes. Outside of his contract year, AK's liabilites on offense are almost as bad as Boozer's on defense. And AK really isn't that good on defense. He gets, what, 1.5 blocks from the weakside and maybe a steal or two when he jumps the passing lane? But man-on-man, AK sucks. SF's can drive around him, or just fake and take a step-back jumper.

I'd be thrilled if the Jazz drafted Babbitt - IF that meant they were also putting together a deal to get rid oF AK.
 
Babbitt is one of the few guys you will see who achieved the 90/50/40 mark and scored over 20 points a game. There are quite a few players we could draft I would not be upset about. But when you think that Wes is a restricted free agent, AK has only one more year on his contract, Korver is an unrestricted free agent, and Miles has two with one being a team option (and not exactly playing great) we could really use another wing player and one who is also big enough to play the 4 in certain situations.
 
Not that I'm a huge Babbitt fan, but I wonder what Jazz fans would think of him if he were black like Paul George.
 
honz said:
Not that I'm a huge Babbitt fan, but I wonder what Jazz fans would think of him if he were black like Paul George.
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Exactly. They, along with every other GM, would love him. "He's a stud on offense and look at his measurements. He didn't exactly show it in college but kid has the tools to be a solid NBA defender."
 
InGameStrategy said:
Just say no to Babbitt. We already have endured five years of poor-defending starting PF and C; the Jazz don't need to blow their second top 10 pick in as many years on another poor defender. I don't care if he can shoot 40% from Temple Square to the ESA. If he can't defend, no darft.
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Good thing Babbit doesn't play PF or C
 
honz said:
Not that I'm a huge Babbitt fan, but I wonder what Jazz fans would think of him if he were black like Paul George.
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Let's face it, while there are of course some exceptions, black basketball players are often smoother athletes than white ones. If Babbitt had the athleticism of say Paul George, he'd be a very high pick. He'd probably be an Evan Turner.

Having said that, if the Jazz can't move up to take a chance on somebody like Cousins, I'd be okay with Babbitt. A 20ppg scorer shooting 50/40/90 is nothing to sneeze at. But, I'd be concerned with his defense. Poor defense and he could end up being another Quincy Lewis (who was also a good college scorer and happens to be black).

The Jazz have been rather predictable in past drafts and even rumored trades (right off, I can think of the Stevenson and Brewer trades as ones rumored before they happened) and so I think there's a good chance they'd reach for Babbitt at 9.

Which could also mean there may be something to that rumored 'other pick' they're supposedly also looking for later in the draft. That could be for a consolation big -- Sanders or Alabi or that level; in that case, I just hope they don't get (okay I'll say it) another white stiff.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Let's face it, while there are of course some exceptions, black basketball players are often smoother athletes than white ones. If Babbitt had the athleticism of say Paul George, he'd be a very high pick. He'd probably be an Evan Turner.

Having said that, if the Jazz can't move up to take a chance on somebody like Cousins, I'd be okay with Babbitt. A 20ppg scorer shooting 50/40/90 is nothing to sneeze at. But, I'd be concerned with his defense. Poor defense and he could end up being another Quincy Lewis (who was also a good college scorer and happens to be black).

The Jazz have been rather predictable in past drafts and even rumored trades (right off, I can think of the Stevenson and Brewer trades as ones rumored before they happened) and so I think there's a good chance they'd reach for Babbitt at 9.

Which could also mean there may be something to that rumored 'other pick' they're supposedly also looking for later in the draft. That could be for a consolation big -- Sanders or Alabi or that level; in that case, I just hope they don't get (okay I'll say it) another white stiff.
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How giddy would the fanbase be over a Babbitt/Aldrich double whammy on draft night? I almost want it to happen to watch this board implode.
 
stockcillo12 said:
Utah St versus Nevada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnDTUYzWDU

Please Kevin... NOOOO
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https://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=294000008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2dkyZ47Pi0

This Wesley Matthews kid can't shoot 3-16 FG 0-4 3 pointers nor can he play defense (Jared Quale 18 points). I mean, just look at the youtube video and see how many 3's Quale rains down on this Matthew's moron. What a bad player. There's no way he's going to start for a playoff team at SG.

I'm not advocating a Babbit pick, but I certainly wouldn't base my opinion on clips against Utah St nor on his skin color.

Oh, and look at how convenient it is for you to leave out the details about that Utah St vs Nevada game. If you truly wanted to be objective you could have included along with your clip that Babbitt did have 26 points, 12 rebounds, and 4 blocks in that game.
https://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap/_/id/300132440/boxscore?gameId=300132440

But that's okay, Babbit sucks and everyone else of a darker pigment is better. Why? Just because, duh.

Seriously, if John Wall, Derick Favors, and George were all white while Aldrich, Quale, and Babbit were black, it would be so interesting to see the opinions some of you would have then.
 
Using Utah St as the standard here, look at what George did against them.

In the first game, 1-2, 2 points, and sprained his ankle in the first half. Nice job.

In the second game, 4-13, 1-6 3 pointers, 12 points, 7 rebounds, 5 turnovers as his team lost embarrassingly 76-39.

Using only the games against Utah St as the deciding factor, Babbit completely owns George.

So, we can either accept that Babbit is a far better player than George and that the Jazz should draft him over George. Or, that using only games against Utah St. is a sad and completely inaccurate way of judging talent and making major draft decisions.

You choose.
 
Babbitt looks like a complete stiff who can't guard at the next level. His lateral quickness is going to be the slowest on the freakin team! We need Cousins or Bust!
 
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