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Hayward Off-Season Workout Vid w/ Bob McRoberts

stitches said:
That's preposterous! You mean to tell me he's been working on his game? But he didn't attend (to watch) Summer League! I thought he was a horrible leader, entitled player and person because of it.
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He could have still done both. But anyways I'm glad to hear some real basketball news about him and not all the other riff raff he might have going on.
 
Jamezz said:
He could have still done both. But anyways I'm glad to hear some real basketball news about him and not all the other riff raff he might have going on.
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He could have but he had a higher priority. I will not hit him because of it.
 
Cy said:
Also, for anyone who is well versed in the rules of traveling, why isn't the pivot move McRoberts makes at 1:00 a travel? He pivots on his pivot foot, then switches to his non pivot foot to fadeaway for the shot without elevating off it. Isn't that a travel since he is essentially switching pivot foots?
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Debatable.

Here is the rule section from NBA.com

Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
h. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
i. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.
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Relevant part is highlighted. He may raise his pivot foot, in essence, in the act of shooting. It only states that his pivot foot must not come back to the floor before he shoots or passes the ball. It does not specify if he is allowed to lift his pivot foot while keeping the other foot on the floor while shooting, although I would think this would be the thought process around it.
 
Now here is some traveling for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptH0DyiomvE
 
It is now the way it is in the NBA apparently. But we all know the travel is only called when it is most obvious or not a big name player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQEfD_FPNYs
 
LogGrad98 said:
Debatable.

Here is the rule section from NBA.com



Relevant part is highlighted. He may raise his pivot foot, in essence, in the act of shooting. It only states that his pivot foot must not come back to the floor before he shoots or passes the ball. It does not specify if he is allowed to lift his pivot foot while keeping the other foot on the floor while shooting, although I would think this would be the thought process around it.
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If so, turn around shots from the post just got a lot easier for me.
 
Yeah the key is that you cannot raise your pivot foot and then replant it to jump from. But you can step onto your other foot in the act of jumping to get the shot off, imo. I know this is how they call it in High School ball. In the NBA it seems to be way more willy nilly and seems to be one of the most inconsistent calls in basketball. That and carrying.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah the key is that you cannot raise your pivot foot and then replant it to jump from. But you can step onto your other foot in the act of jumping to get the shot off, imo. I know this is how they call it in High School ball. In the NBA it seems to be way more willy nilly and seems to be one of the most inconsistent calls in basketball. That and carrying.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfdrP7QX9PM

LOL
 
Siro said:
Hayward's crossover is too wide, kind of like Deron Williams'. They look nice, but they're less effective than keeping it tight, like Steph Curry's. He should work on that.
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Ehhh, not really.

It depends on the player. A quick tight cross works better for a quicker player. They don't really need to create much movement from their defender to get by them, so quick moves work better.

Wider crossovers work for players who have strength and want to get their opponent more off-balance before making their counter.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah the key is that you cannot raise your pivot foot and then replant it to jump from. But you can step onto your other foot in the act of jumping to get the shot off, imo. I know this is how they call it in High School ball. In the NBA it seems to be way more willy nilly and seems to be one of the most inconsistent calls in basketball. That and carrying.
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Hard to call travel in the NBA. It's not like refs have a bird's eye view of players and guys in the NBA moves ridiculously fast not to mention taking extra quick steps between the last dribble and controlling of the basketball can make it hard to gauge when the dribble was actually picked up and steps began.
 
LogGrad98 said:
It was the 12th step that made that over the top.
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He actually only took 3 steps.

All those small steps are between the last dribble and him palming the basketball. After he palms it he takes 3 steps, which is a travelling of course.
 
Cy said:
He actually only took 3 steps.

All those small steps are between the last dribble and him palming the basketball. After he palms it he takes 3 steps, which is a travelling of course.
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nope that 'dribble' is really a bounce pass to himself. That's a travel. Then he travels again when he palms the ball.

It was a 6 step travel and then a 3 step travel.
 
♪alt13 said:
nope that 'dribble' is really a bounce pass to himself. That's a travel. Then he travels again when he palms the ball.

It was a 6 step travel and then a 3 step travel.
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No, you are allowed to take as many steps as you want between dribbles.
 
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