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Jamezz said:
Interesting read, as it was to see that Utah rejected the amendment without ever ratifying it. What's also interesting is that the article doesn't mention anything about the Eisner v. Macomber case, where income is defined (from a corporate activity standpoint) as "the gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined, including profit gained through sale or conversion of capital."
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I appreciate you elucidating your opinion a bit. I suspect the article on the 16th amendment doesn't mention Eisner v. Macomber because Eisner v. Macomber was largely made irrelevant by subsequent decisions by the Court. Or so the Wikipedia article on that decision explains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisner_v._Macomber#Aftermath. I recommend you read that section, and also the following section that goes into how Eisner v. Macomber is often misapplied or misunderstood by anti-tax activists. Wikipedia is of course not the final word but my experience is that it gets things like this correct nearly 100% of the time.

And even if we took it from an individual standpoint, what's considered gain? In other words, if I work 40 hours/week how is my wage justified as gain versus the amount of money equivalent to the time and energy I've put into my labor. Is my wage more than I should get, is it less? In any event it's an agreement I reached with my employer when I was hired. You can sign it if you think the amount is fair or walk away if you think that the physical or mental effort you need to put into your job is not worth what you're getting paid for.
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The term in the 16th amendment is "income", and as the Wikipedia article states, "An important principle taken from Eisner v. Macomber is that the word "income" in the Sixteenth Amendment is generally given its ordinary plain English meaning." So yes, your income from your job is the amount of money your employer has agreed to pay you. Or customers, I suppose, if you own a business. By the very definition of currency that is exactly how the time and energy you've put into your labor is valued.

The problem here comes with social compliance. If a certain Amendment is not clear let's have a public debate.
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But that Amendment is perfectly clear.

...The Constitution is not perfect by any means, let's put our minds together and make it more beneficial for everyone than it currently is. Don't blame this on any political party, specific politician etc... blame it on ourselves as a People for being compliant.
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Arguing to change the Constitution is very different than you saying that income tax is unconstitutional, which is where this discussion began. If you want to get into reasons why you feel the 16th Amendment should be changed/revoked, we can do that (in a different thread, preferably). But in my opinion you shouldn't claim that income tax is unconstitutional when it clearly is. That just weakens any other arguments you might have.
 
colton said:
I appreciate you elucidating your opinion a bit. I suspect the article on the 16th amendment doesn't mention Eisner v. Macomber because Eisner v. Macomber was largely made irrelevant by subsequent decisions by the Court. Or so the Wikipedia article on that decision explains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisner_v._Macomber#Aftermath. I recommend you read that section, and also the following section that goes into how Eisner v. Macomber is often misapplied or misunderstood by anti-tax activists. Wikipedia is of course not the final word but my experience is that it gets things like this correct nearly 100% of the time.



The term in the 16th amendment is "income", and as the Wikipedia article states, "An important principle taken from Eisner v. Macomber is that the word "income" in the Sixteenth Amendment is generally given its ordinary plain English meaning." So yes, your income from your job is the amount of money your employer has agreed to pay you. Or customers, I suppose, if you own a business. By the very definition of currency that is exactly how the time and energy you've put into your labor is valued.



But that Amendment is perfectly clear.



Arguing to change the Constitution is very different than you saying that income tax is unconstitutional, which is where this discussion began. If you want to get into reasons why you feel the 16th Amendment should be changed/revoked, we can do that (in a different thread, preferably). But in my opinion you shouldn't claim that income tax is unconstitutional when it clearly is. That just weakens any other arguments you might have.
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You're right, I shouldn't have said it's unconstitutional the way that Amendment is written today.
 
When people continue to turn my all time favorite thread ever into a debate about the constitutionality of the income tax.

Come on guys. Get that **** out of here.
 
When the fast food joint doesn't salt the fries and I don't realize it until I'm on the freeway
 
Gameface said:
When people continue to turn my all time favorite thread ever into a debate about the constitutionality of the income tax.

Come on guys. Get that **** out of here.
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bigb said:
When the fast food joint doesn't salt the fries and I don't realize it until I'm on the freeway
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Much better.
Thanks for getting this thread back on track
 
Meatball subs.

I love them but they are too messy, the meatballs always try fall out of the bread, there are too many meatball-less bites (bread and sauce only), and often the meatballs are so big that it's hard to even open my mouth wide enough to get a good bite.

I think someone should make a meatball sub with lots of little meatballs (think whopper, like the candy, size) in it rather than just a few huge meatballs. I bet it would be really good....... Sigh. A guy can only dream
 
When the dollar menu might as well be called the $1.69 menu and what was once a solid $4.28 order is now like $7.25.
 
fishonjazz said:
Meatball subs.

I love them but they are too messy, the meatballs always try fall out of the bread, there are too many meatball-less bites (bread and sauce only), and often the meatballs are so big that it's hard to even open my mouth wide enough to get a good bite.

I think someone should make a meatball sub with lots of little meatballs (think whopper, like the candy, size) in it rather than just a few huge meatballs. I bet it would be really good....... Sigh. A guy can only dream
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Meatballs. Nasty.
 
Jimmy John's

I love the place, but what I'm about to describe is no accident. It's no fluke. This is not one guy just not doing it right.

Jimmy John's will not put extra hot peppers on you sandwich. I have been to about 6 different locations. I have been to a couple of the locations many times.

If I ask for hot peppers they give me about 4-5 pickled hot pepper rings. If I ask for extra hot peppers they give me about 4-5 pickled hot pepper rings. First off, that's not even a regular amount. That's "light." So when I've asked for extra I still get not even enough to get some every bite. Like zero hot peppers in a few bites in a row. Obviously I want some hot pepper every bite, I asked for EXTRA hot peppers! Thanks for giving me 4-5 hot pepper rings.

So I asked for double extra hot peppers. I get 4-5 hot peppers.

I make an online order. I specify xtra hot peppers and in the "who's this order for" I put "guy who likes lots of hot peppers," and it's funny watching them glance at that as they hand me the sandwich...which we both know has 4-5 hot peppers on it.

So I got extra clever and I ordered my sandwich with extra hot peppers, and I asked if I could also get a side of hot peppers. They wrapped some hot peppers up like they do the sandwiches and pickles. They put ZERO hot peppers on my sandwich. But, success, they gave me 13 hot peppers rings and I put them on my sandwich in a way that guaranteed I would get a significant amount of hot pepper on every bite.
 
Gameface said:
Jimmy John's

I love the place, but what I'm about to describe is no accident. It's no fluke. This is not one guy just not doing it right.

Jimmy John's will not put extra hot peppers on you sandwich. I have been to about 6 different locations. I have been to a couple of the locations many times.

If I ask for hot peppers they give me about 4-5 pickled hot pepper rings. If I ask for extra hot peppers they give me about 4-5 pickled hot pepper rings. First off, that's not even a regular amount. That's "light." So when I've asked for extra I still get not even enough to get some every bite. Like zero hot peppers in a few bites in a row. Obviously I want some hot pepper every bite, I asked for EXTRA hot peppers! Thanks for giving me 4-5 hot pepper rings.

So I asked for double extra hot peppers. I get 4-5 hot peppers.

I make an online order. I specify xtra hot peppers and in the "who's this order for" I put "guy who likes lots of hot peppers," and it's funny watching them glance at that as they hand me the sandwich...which we both know has 4-5 hot peppers on it.

So I got extra clever and I ordered my sandwich with extra hot peppers, and I asked if I could also get a side of hot peppers. They wrapped some hot peppers up like they do the sandwiches and pickles. They put ZERO hot peppers on my sandwich. But, success, they gave me 13 hot peppers rings and I put them on my sandwich in a way that guaranteed I would get a significant amount of hot pepper on every bite.
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How about an unpeeve?

People who figure out work-arounds for things that annoy them.
 
fishonjazz said:
Meatball subs.

I love them but they are too messy, the meatballs always try fall out of the bread, there are too many meatball-less bites (bread and sauce only), and often the meatballs are so big that it's hard to even open my mouth wide enough to get a good bite.

I think someone should make a meatball sub with lots of little meatballs (think whopper, like the candy, size) in it rather than just a few huge meatballs. I bet it would be really good....... Sigh. A guy can only dream
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Cut the meatballs in half. They don't squirt out when they aren't round.
 
Tile flooring throughout a home. Definitely a stupid pet peeve but I hate tile flooring in both the living room, bedroom and dining room. It's so cheesy looking and an obvious economic decision for cheaper built homes. I even hate it in the kitchen but I guess it sort of makes sense there.

And don't get me started on pergo flooring. Oof.
 
Ride around
Look around
find some colors with me
colors of the rainbow
are all around
you see
Red orange yellow blue
Green
and maybe purple too

singing toys argh :/
 
VINYLONE said:
Tile flooring throughout a home. Definitely a stupid pet peeve but I hate tile flooring in both the living room, bedroom and dining room. It's so cheesy looking and an obvious economic decision for cheaper built homes. I even hate it in the kitchen but I guess it sort of makes sense there.

And don't get me started on pergo flooring. Oof.
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We're putting laminate in our new home and it's f'in bad ***. Suck on that.
 
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