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I know there are a lot of LDS people here
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RandyForRubio
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Through the various churches (Ephesus, Galatia, etc) we are given a background on how the Church should be ran. Certainly all individual churches, but also certainly one church.
Joe Bagadonuts
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If what you are saying is true it's a bombshell. What's your source?
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I'm curious as well.
If there are really a bunch of polygamists in the quorum of the 12 then im shocked I have never heard about it before.
This. I'm not really pro-LDS after this little stint, but I'm curious.
Do you mean a sealed wife died, and then he married another in the Temple? Wikipedia doesn't mention an unsealing, but such things are sacred, and not mentioned often. This would mean, theoretically in the LDS cannon, this man will have two wives in heaven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson
Interesting take on doctrine v. policy.
https://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/3166492-155/new-mormon-edict-on-gays-is
Taking this into account, for those of you hitching your wagon to this policy, how will you justify your stance once this is changed?
https://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/3166492-155/new-mormon-edict-on-gays-is
Taking this into account, for those of you hitching your wagon to this policy, how will you justify your stance once this is changed?
Not quite sure what you're asking for a source for. That a plural marriage would require the consent of the first wife? I'm pretty sure that was common practice, although there were exceptions (notably Joseph Smith and Emma, who if I recall correctly sometimes did and sometimes did not consent).
How about a source for your claim that current LDS leaders believe that serial sealings after the death of a spouse will force the involved parties into plural marriages in the hereafter?
I haven't seen anyone "hitching their wagon" to the policy. I think most of the reaction from LDS in this thread has been like mine, where I specifically pointed out the exact same thing--that it was a policy that could change at any time, that there are some reasons for it that make sense, others that don't make sense, and that even if we feel the stuff that doesn't make sense may outweigh the stuff that does, we'll continue to support the LDS church leaders.
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If you enter into a temple marriage, you are sealed for eternity. If your wife dies and you marry again in the temple, again you are sealed for eternity. How is this that you don't have an eternal marriage to two women?
Edit: it seems the LDS church acknowledges this as they do not allow a sealed widow to remarry in the temple as marriage to plural men is not allowed. If plural marriage is not allowed how can men seal to multiple women, but not the inverse? What am I missing?
Sealing is a promise of blessings, not a forcing into a relationship.
Just to take an example, if a husband and wife get sealed in the temple but the husband is abusive, do you think the wife is forced into that relationship for all eternity even if they never get a "cancellation of sealing"? That's certainly not what any sane LDS member would believe! (in my opinion)
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If it is just a promise of blessings, then why can men be sealed to multiple women but not the inverse? And why can a woman only get sealed again only if the first sealing is cancelled first?
green
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Which is what the church believes. I think they use an Isaiah quote to show that polygamy will happen in the next life.
green
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You are spot on. Men are allowed to be sealed to multiple women. BUT, if a woman is sealed to one man, she has to cancel that sealing to be sealed to another man.
Polygamy is still going on in the church.
green
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You know the answer to this. According to mormon beliefs, if you are sealed to multiple women, you will have multiple wives in the next life.
Isaiah 4:1 is the scripture that has been used to explain polygamy heaven.
I've heard it taught in church that there will be more righteous women in heaven than men and that is why there is polygamy.
Sorry guys, we are screwed.
In order to get any serious notion of how to run a system of churches from the Bible, it is important to read into the text what you want it to say.
Because LDS doctrine (as is currently revealed) only allows the POSSIBILITY of plural marriages with one husband and multiple wives. But it doesn't FORCE the marriages into eternity, plural or otherwise. Why would it?
You are misstating LDS beliefs.
I think he got that one right.
It seems green doesn't believe equal rights for women includes the possibility that two or more women could choose to associate with one another under the plural marriage covenant.
Of course ordinary temple sealings in this day are contingent upon a lifetime of faithfulness to God in the desire to progress towards one day being much more like God in our character, and things like cancellations and failed covenants here below may be all too commonplace. . . . but it is ultimately God who will judge us all and in Mormon belief will accept our faith in Christ and further offerings of deeds and faith in determining who will be "moving on up" in His order of things.
The ultimate fact of a faith belief in God is that it cannot be made subject to human criteria, theoretically, or it is no longer, theoretically, "God's Religion", but ours.
It might be useful to green to reflect on that a bit before going headlong on a crusade for social justice aimed at reforming a religion. . . .I find myself coming up against that restraint when I am going off on one of my critical tangents. . . .