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Terror attack on US soil with 12 casualties!

Zombie said:
Which parties front runner candidate for president is making xenophobic hateful comments on a nearly weekly basis?

I'm pretty goddamn sure the Donald isn't running as a Democrat. That **** plays on the right. It doesn't on the left. I wonder why...
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I feel like both sides of the political spectrum are defined and dominated by their most extreme members. I believe the vast majority of Americans are much closer to the middle, but it is the extremes who are constantly guiding and defining the debate and the agenda.

I'm right of center and I despise the actions of right wing extremists. I wonder if people on the left feel the same way about the extreme left.

I think there is an awful lot of anger on the right. They are tired of watching as this country is driven in a dramatically different direction than they believe it should go. Trump's appeal is that nobody owns him. He is not beholden to some PAC, and the fact that he says whatever comes into his mind proves it. It's been a long time since we've seen a presidential candidate like that. Unfortunately, despite the positives of not being in anybody's pocket, he is absolutely not the leader this country needs. He is flawed in so many ways, and as a leader he would become so out of control because of his gigantic ego. He would be more than an embarrassment. There's a very good chance he would create major problems.

I wish Mitt was a choice. Given the options we do have, I'd pick Rubio.
 
Gameface said:
What's the penalty for murder in the U.S.? What's said in the bible about an eye for an eye?
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The words “eye for eye, tooth for tooth,” found in the Bible, have caused no little contention. (Exodus 21:24) To some people, it is nothing less than divine approval of revenge. But such thinking conflicts with God’s command: “You must not take vengeance nor hold a grudge against the sons of your people.” (Leviticus 19:18) How, then, are we to understand those words in Exodus?

Exodus 21:22 presents a scenario in which two men are fighting and one of them strikes a pregnant woman, causing her to deliver prematurely. If mother and baby survived, the injured woman’s husband would not be authorized to strike back. Rather, the man who struck the new mother would have to “pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges.” In other words, the judges in court would make the striker pay a fine to the husband of the injured mother. If she or her child died because of injuries, those same judges would have the perpetrator put to death.

In this case, the court, not the victim, applied “life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth*.*.*.” (Exodus 21:23,*24) That principle reminded judges that punishment should be neither excessive nor insufficient. Bible scholar Richard Elliott Friedman states: “The basic principle appears to be that punishment should correspond to the crime and never exceed it.”

What gave rise to the idea that God’s Law authorized personal acts of revenge? It is noteworthy that at Matthew 5:38, 39, we find Jesus’ words: “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” It seems that by Jesus’ day, some religious teachers had included the ‘law of retaliation’ in their oral tradition as approval for personal vengeance. Jesus, however, made clear that such a teaching had no support in God’s Law to Israel.
 
Archie Moses said:
You have to be religious to be pro-life?
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He was saying that you have to be religious to be obsessively pro life to the point of killing people who work at a place that performs abortions
 
fishonjazz said:
He was saying that you have to be religious to be obsessively pro life to the point of killing people who work at a place that performs abortions
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I don't necessarily agree with that being an absolute. What if you're pro-life, atheist and straight up mental?
 
Archie Moses said:
If someone slaps ya, brah, let them slap your other cheek, too. (From what I remember.)
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Jesus had given his disciples counsel: “You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” (Mt 5:38,*39)

Here Jesus was not teaching pacifism or denying the right of self-defense from bodily harm, but he was teaching that a Christian does not need to pay back blow for blow, retaliating, taking vengeance. He was inculcating the principle of avoiding quarrels by not replying or reacting in kind.

A slap on the cheek is not intended to injure physically but only to insult or to provoke into a fight. Jesus did not say that if someone strikes a Christian on the jaw, he should get up off the floor and hold the other side of his face for a target. What Jesus was saying was that if anyone tried to provoke a Christian into a fight or argument by either slapping him with an open hand or stinging him with insulting words, it would be wrong to retaliate. This is in harmony with the statements of the apostles, giving further emphasis to this principle.—Ro 12:17-21; 1Pe 3:9.
 
Zombie said:
https://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/starbucks-cup-evangelist-called

This *** clown apparently has 2 million Facebook followers. Find me someone with that level of influence on the left in this country using hateful violent rhetoric like that. I'll wait.
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There is no excuse for saying things like that and he should go to jail for it. I've never heard of him before. Does he have a history of this sort of thing? Are all of those people following him because he has been calling for violence, or did he gain followers in some other way and then move to more extreme positions? I don't know the answer, but it would surprise me if he does not begin losing followers with a stance like this.

I said it before but I'll reiterate, the extremes on either side of the political spectrum get way more attention than they deserve, and often they are the ones driving the political debate. Bill Ayers is an example of a person with influence on the left who has called for violence. Let's not allow the yoyos on the fringe to define either side.
 
San Bernardino today, 20+ injured so far. Not sure what else there is to say.


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Jamezz said:
For one I can't believe how people jump on the Christian labeling so fast, as if that murderer was a true Christian. Ridiculous.
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....correctomundo! Not a true Christian at all! Claiming to be a Christian....and actually following the teachings of Christ are two different things! Here's a good scripture to use on that!

(Matthew 7:21-27) 21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

24 “Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of mine and does them will be like a discreet man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and lashed against that house, but it did not cave in, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house, and it caved in, and its collapse was great.”

(Matthew 7:20) 20 Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.
 
Jamezz said:
For one I can't believe how people jump on the Christian labeling so fast, as if that murderer was a true Christian. Ridiculous.
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Would you apply that same metric to Muslim terrorists? Or is it only Christians who can claim such religious purity?
 
Zombie said:
Would you apply that same metric to Muslim terrorists? Or is it only Christians who can claim such religious purity?
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I haven't read the Quran but if it also condemns murder in the same manner than the Bible does than sure, I have no problem in applying the same metric. There could well be fake Muslims as there are fake Christians. As a believer in Christ I was offended by the label "Christian terrorist", that's why I was sticking to the Christian side of things. There can't be such thing as a 'Christian terrorist', it's a ridiculous paradox brought up to attack Christianity. There are Muslims trying to fight ISIS back in Iraq for example and I wish them the best of luck against those ********.
 
No True Scotsman eh? I think if a persons religious beliefs motivate their violence we should call them out on it. Regardless of what belief that is.
 
Zombie said:
No True Scotsman eh? I think if a persons religious beliefs motivate their violence we should call them out on it. Regardless of what belief that is.
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Again, I don't think it's fair to call out an entire group for the actions of a few. I look after individuals.
 
Jamezz said:
I haven't read the Quran but if it also condemns murder in the same manner than the Bible does than sure, I have no problem in applying the same metric. There could well be fake Muslims as there are fake Christians. As a believer in Christ I was offended by the label "Christian terrorist", that's why I was sticking to the Christian side of things. There can't be such thing as a 'Christian terrorist', it's a ridiculous paradox brought up to attack Christianity. There are Muslims trying to fight ISIS back in Iraq for example and I wish them the best of luck against those ********.
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Yeah! No one has ever waged war in the name of Christianity... oh wait...


never mind.
 
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