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Hack said:
I don't think that matters much. It's still about the level of talent of the player in question.

If we had a chance to get Durant, but he was out indefinitely, would we not do it because he's out indefinitely?

How talented the player is matters a lot. The less talented, the more the injury matters. In Burks case it matters some though.
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Well, dumbass. Obviously if u can get an injured Durant u do it assuming said injury isn't going to affect his career significantly, but I've seen trades break down due to a player not passing a physical. Burks isn't Durant,

Idiot...


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magic said:
I say we get rid of Burks. For whatever reason, Hood sucks when Burks is also playing. He was great last season with Burks out, started sucking this season when Burks was back, and then immediately started playing well when Burks got injured again.

I don't think Burks is a cancer like Kanter, and he's a decent player. But he just doesn't add any value to our team and his interaction effect (making Hood suck) actually doesn't bode well for us in the long term.
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Yeah, I like Burks. He has talent, has improved some, and seems like a decent enough dude, a good soldier if you will. But he just doesn't seem to fit seamlessly with the rest of our guys on the court to me. Just an eyeball test.
 
Another question about precedent - When was the last time the Jazz signed a player to a 4 year extension and then traded him halfway thru the 1st season??
 
PG_AB said:
Another question about precedent - When was the last time the Jazz signed a player to a 4 year extension and then traded him halfway thru the 1st season??
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We signed him in October of 2014. Maybe this is the first actual year of the extension but we're over a year removed from the actual signing. No biggie.
 
PG_AB said:
Another question about precedent - When was the last time the Jazz signed a player to a 4 year extension and then traded him halfway thru the 1st season??
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That shouldn't matter either. Set precedent if you have to. Who cares?

Making the right decision is what matters.

You don't tell a team, hey we can't trade that guy, we just signed him, and we've never never traded a guy we just signed. Sorry we can't take Durant from you. It would just be rude to the other guy.

Win championship. Screw all that other stuff.
 
Hack said:
That shouldn't matter either. Set precedent if you have to. Who cares?

Making the right decision is what matters.

You don't tell a team, hey we can't trade that guy, we just signed him, and we've never never traded a guy we just signed. Sorry we can't take Durant from you. It would just be rude to the other guy.

Win championship. Screw all that other stuff.
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Future prospective Free agents might frown upon that.. I don't think the Jazz operate like that for a reason, I'm just a relatively new Jazz fan just asking if any long time fans can recall that sorta thing happening. (same goes for the trading injured players question)
 
Killa Cam Payne, who the Jazz passed on in the draft, in limited minutes this year is shooting 41% from 3, with a 3:1 ast:to ratio, he's averaging 16.3points per 36 minutes and 2.4 steals per 36, seems like a much better contract to trade a package for than Jeff Teague IMO, it's probably equally as unrealistic though..

The Jazz passed on The Campaign, and they probably thought he was pretty good, might be telling about how much they're willing to give up for Teague. I'm not sure if this is as big of a priority as some are making it out to be.
 
PG_AB said:
Killa Cam Payne, who the Jazz passed on in the draft, in limited minutes this year is shooting 41% from 3, with a 3:1 ast:to ratio, he's averaging 16.3points per 36 minutes and 2.4 steals per 36, seems like a much better contract to trade a package for than Jeff Teague IMO, it's probably equally as unrealistic though..

The Jazz passed on The Campaign, and they probably thought he was pretty good, might be telling about how much they're willing to give up for Teague. I'm not sure if this is as big of a priority as some are making it out to be.
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They passed on Cam prior to Exum injury... Not sure it has an bearing on how they feel about the PG situation now. That injury sets Dante back at least one year... maybe two.
 
PG_AB said:
Future prospective Free agents might frown upon that.. I don't think the Jazz operate like that for a reason, I'm just a relatively new Jazz fan just asking if any long time fans can recall that sorta thing happening. (same goes for the trading injured players question)
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No, I don't think they have done that before. They probably won't either.

This is a franchise that isn't anywhere close to being an all or nothing team. They are perfectly content with being just good enough to sell hope. They aren't ever going to go out and make things happen. If it happens it happens. That's not being pessimistic. That's just the truth.

Sorry. I hate to spoil it for you, but your old team the Knicks have a better chance of cashing one in. The Knicks aren't smart, but at least they are trying. They are more likely to get lucky than us.


Here's pretty much what the future holds for the Jazz for the next 5-10 years

They will finish somewhere in the late lottery or 8th seed of the playoffs. They will watch players finish out their contracts and leave. The next average player will step up and fill the void.. They will pick safe players every year in the draft. No significant trades will be made that help the team.

That's pretty much it. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
I'm mostly ready to trade Burks away, but his drive game is valuable late in close games, and we've been on the short side of those games in his absence.
 
I don't think burks will be in the deal. I think it's gonna be Burke and filler. Maybe booker. Maybe some second round picks. They need to get rid of Teague and we will benefit.
 
b_line said:
I don't think burks will be in the deal. I think it's gonna be Burke and filler. Maybe booker. Maybe some second round picks. They need to get rid of Teague and we will benefit.
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I think it will be Burke withey Booker and either the OKC or gsw 1st rounder with splitter and Teague coming back. Tibor has to be in the deal for salary but he could go to porty or Philly with a second rounder. Both teams can take on salary. They get replacements for what they send out which aren't as good as what they lost but clear 14.5 in salary for next year and pick up a pick. I don't think they are desperate to move him but I think both Teague and the Hawks are ready to move on.
 
PG_AB said:
I always find it funny when people say things like this. How do you figure?
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Because the Knicks are willing to spend the money. Because they aren't scared of being bad enough to pick in the lottery. Because they aren't scared to make a big trade. They aren't scared to take a boom or bust player in the draft.

In my opinion, I think it's pretty hard to get anywhere in the NBA being real conservative. It's a recipe for being average. I'd rather just be bad for a long time and give my team a better chance to snag the next transcendent great player.

Unfortunately, that's what it's gonna take for a team like Utah to win it all. We just won't be attracting any big name free agents any time soon.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think it will be Burke withey Booker and either the OKC or gsw 1st rounder with splitter and Teague coming back. Tibor has to be in the deal for salary but he could go to porty or Philly with a second rounder. Both teams can take on salary. They get replacements for what they send out which aren't as good as what they lost but clear 14.5 in salary for next year and pick up a pick. I don't think they are desperate to move him but I think both Teague and the Hawks are ready to move on.
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Utah is under the cap. Salary isn't a consideration. I can't see the jazz giving up a first round pick.
 
b_line said:
Utah is under the cap. Salary isn't a consideration. I can't see the jazz giving up a first round pick.
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They clear cap room for next year... we use cap room. We are about $7M under the cap currently so we can use that plus the other guys to make the schematics work. Salary is always a consideration.

You have to give something of value to get something. You aren't acquiring teague for Burke and filler. I think Mil. would give them the Clippers pick they have or some other fringe asset that would beat the Burke plus filler offer.
 
Hack said:
Because the Knicks are willing to spend the money. Because they aren't scared of being bad enough to pick in the lottery. Because they aren't scared to make a big trade. They aren't scared to take a boom or bust player in the draft.

In my opinion, I think it's pretty hard to get anywhere in the NBA being real conservative. It's a recipe for being average. I'd rather just be bad for a long time and give my team a better chance to snag the next transcendent great player.

Unfortunately, that's what it's gonna take for a team like Utah to win it all. We just won't be attracting any big name free agents any time soon.
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The Knicks are the gold standard when it comes to building a team guys!
 
Hack said:
Because the Knicks are willing to spend the money. Because they aren't scared of being bad enough to pick in the lottery. Because they aren't scared to make a big trade. They aren't scared to take a boom or bust player in the draft.

In my opinion, I think it's pretty hard to get anywhere in the NBA being real conservative. It's a recipe for being average. I'd rather just be bad for a long time and give my team a better chance to snag the next transcendent great player.

Unfortunately, that's what it's gonna take for a team like Utah to win it all. We just won't be attracting any big name free agents any time soon.
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The Knicks are terrible and have been since the Ewing days. Even then they could only get to one NBA finals; and that was their first since 1972. No, the Knicks are content to HEMORRHAGE money to build a team. Same thing they've been doing for decades. Hasn't worked out so well, has it? Plus, big market teams with built in wealth (the NYK is the most valuable NBA franchise) have WAY more flexibility to take risks. And if their fans don't like it, the team DGAF - they'll do what they see fit. There's NO WAY the Jazz could afford to do that on so many levels.

As far as no major FA coming to the Utah Jazz: this is been the case since day 1, 1979 and it hasn't changed. After almost 40 years, one would have to understand that this would be the case in perpetuity unless the Jazz get REALLY lucky. So this should be treated as a given fact and not something to beat up management over.

So, realistically and from a competitive standpoint, the formula the Jazz are using is practical and sensible as opposed to wreckless. And that's our Jazz
 
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