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Also, the more I think about this trade, the less I like it. If the Jazz can't extract an additional asset in a Trey+Pleiss for Lawson deal, it might be better to pass. That is, unless they feel they have to move Trey.

It'd be a bit embarrassing to have to dump top-10 picks in consecutive years.
 
GVC said:
The author got one key detail very wrong. If Lawson is waived, he can be claimed by a team with enough cap space to absorb his contract. That is, Try won't necessarily get to choose where he plays if he's waived. If the Jazz are able to dump Trey and Pleiss without taking salary back, they'd have the cap space to claim Lawson.
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If Memphis is in sell mode (which they appear to maybe be) and knows they aren't going to re-sign Conley (I'm not saying they know that), would they do Burke, Pleiss, Booker, and OKC 1st for Conley, Green and Ellis? They get a young point guard and 1st for Conley's who expiring anyway. We get him for a half season and correct me if I'm wrong, his Bird Rights.
 
So if it's up to Lawson it looks like he chooses Utah or gambles on a crap shoot that could land him anywhere.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
If Memphis is in sell mode (which they appear to maybe be) and knows they aren't going to re-sign Conley (I'm not saying they know that), would they do Burke, Pleiss, Booker, and OKC 1st for Conley, Green and Ellis? They get a young point guard and 1st for Conley's who expiring anyway. We get him for a half season and correct me if I'm wrong, his Bird Rights.
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Bird rights won't be terribly important this offseason. Lots of teams will have space to sign Conley, including the Jazz.

Not sure it's worth losing the OKC 1st/2nd for a player who might walk.
 
GVC said:
Bird rights won't be terribly important this offseason. Lots of teams will have space to sign Conley, including the Jazz.

Not sure it's worth losing the OKC 1st/2nd for a player who might walk.
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Given our improving development and depth and other picks, how important is that pick? We'd still have our own, the GS 1st, a ton of 2nds as we also see Lyles and Neto nicely develop. I feel like that pick is less important than the ability we may have to win well with Conley the last 30 games to the point that he loves what he sees here and we can convince him this off-season to re-sign and perhaps even re-sign at a discount.

If he wants to win, where better than here at a discounted rate? The Thunder, Spurs, Dubs and Cavs aren't signing him this off-season. Second tier teams like the Raptors and Clippers aren't signing him either. He may see Utah as the best opportunity. I think we are. And if we aren't, we only lose the 26th pick. But I like our odds at retaining him on the semi-cheap better than I do the chance that 26th pick turns into anything significant.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I'm gonna be so let down if we don't do any trades. It would be like a girl talking a big game, coming into my bedroom, letting me feel her up and kiss her all over but then she never reciprocates and I'm left with blue ones.
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Then you give her an F on her next assignment, right?
 
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GVC said:
Also, the more I think about this trade, the less I like it. If the Jazz can't extract an additional asset in a Trey+Pleiss for Lawson deal, it might be better to pass. That is, unless they feel they have to move Trey.

It'd be a bit embarrassing to have to dump top-10 picks in consecutive years.
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A good point, and Trey was Lindsey's guy, not KOCs. Lindsey's job might not be on the line, because he works for the Jazz, but his reputation will take a hit if he does another Kanter for Pleiss trade.
 
GVC said:
Who else might be interested in Burke+Pleiss if the Rockets are just going to waive Lawson? Doubt there'd be many other teams willing or able to claim him before he clears waivers. Jazz just have to move some salary to be able to claim if that's what they want to do.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this scenario seems very unlikely. If there's no trade, how are the Jazz to move some salary? Wouldn't the only way to be to do some kind of trade that nets the Jazz the extra 5 million or so in cap space that would allow them to claim Lawson? In a vaccuum, this sort of cap-clearing move seems rather unlikely for the Jazz. Why would the Jazz risk this just on the chance that Lawson might later be available?
 
Why is Kanter for Pleiss and a first round pick considered such a bad trade. Kanter was a free agent, and OKC was forced to match a 70 million contract (to play 20 minutes a night) in order to keep him. Would anybody trade anything of value, not to mention a first round pick, for Kanter right now? Seems super unlikely. Because he was drafted @ #3 does not mean he kept #3 pick value years later.
 
If Lawson's contract/attitude is the holdup, the Jazz should just walk away of course. Maybe Trey has another buyer (if the presumption that they're trying to move him is correct), maybe not.

A non-trade is fine. A Lawson motivated and committed to turn around his career is perhaps an acceptable risk. A different Lawson is not.
 
idiot said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this scenario seems very unlikely. If there's no trade, how are the Jazz to move some salary? Wouldn't the only way to be to do some kind of trade that nets the Jazz the extra 5 million or so in cap space that would allow them to claim Lawson? In a vaccuum, this sort of cap-clearing move seems rather unlikely for the Jazz. Why would the Jazz risk this just on the chance that Lawson might later be available?
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I agree, they probably wouldn't do it. However, if they could receive picks for Trey+Pleiss...

Unless another team is in on Lawson, the Jazz should have some bargaining power. It's probably a long-shot that any team claims Lawson off waivers. As such, Houston would still be on the hook for Lawson's full salary minus (close to) what some other team signs him for this season, and likely still over the Luxury Tax line. If no other team is in on Lawson, the Jazz should be trying to extract an additional asset from Houston.
 
Sources: Rockets, Jazz had casual talks on Ty Lawson, but those ended. Both teams moved on. Another thing: Rockets won't buy out Lawson.


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Sneakers said:
Why is Kanter for Pleiss and a first round pick considered such a bad trade. Kanter was a free agent, and OKC was forced to match a 70 million contract (to play 20 minutes a night) in order to keep him. Would anybody trade anything of value, not to mention a first round pick, for Kanter right now? Seems super unlikely. Because he was drafted @ #3 does not mean he kept #3 pick value years later.
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1. I think OKC could probably find a team that'd give up a 1st for Kanter. Keep in mind, Portland signed him to a max offer sheet last just last summer. It's also worth noting that the pick the Jazz got for Kanter might end up being two 2nds instead.

2. A player's trade value is not static, either across or within seasons. While we don't know what the Jazz might have been able to get for Kanter had they acted earlier, we do know that the return they got wasn't very good.
 
GVC said:
If the Jazz can't extract an additional asset in a Trey+Pleiss for Lawson deal, it might be better to pass.
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I agree there would seemingly have to be something. I think my preference given contract/fit might be Dekker, though I was lukewarm on him in the draft. But that might be the least likely offer from Houston.

Wasn't there something to the rumor that Houston was motivated to make the trade for the sake of possibly allowing another move elsewhere? If it turns out Houston doesn't have this need, then the chances of this trade are very low, I'd suspect.
 
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