fgcamel
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I always thought he had a bad reputation in the clutch, even though stats say otherwise, so I'm not sure where that comes from.
Is Gordon Hayward overrated?
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I always thought he had a bad reputation in the clutch, even though stats say otherwise, so I'm not sure where that comes from.
Let's be honest. They are all overrated.
Favors, Hayward, Burks, Gobert...
We love them, but they arent what we need them to be. Not yet at least.
Favors, Hayward, Burks, Gobert...
We love them, but they arent what we need them to be. Not yet at least.
Game6Conley
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On this board he's vastly overrated, only fans who aren;t used to watching championship level play would fail to recognize that... He's got fancy advanced stats, but they don't translate during big spots, he's hit or miss. Nickname should be Gordon "Coinflip" Hayward
He's not as valuable as DeRozan is to the Raptors, who are 60 games over .500 in the past 3 seasons. The Raptors also had a winning record vs every team in their conference this season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yFVmW0E2pM
He's not as valuable as DeRozan is to the Raptors, who are 60 games over .500 in the past 3 seasons. The Raptors also had a winning record vs every team in their conference this season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yFVmW0E2pM
addictionary
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Hayward would rock next to a real pg.
Game6Conley
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Hubie Brown made his point loud and clear on that broadcast last night..
The Jazz stumbled down the stretch because of their play in the final 3 minutes of games 'where they don't have anyone to give the ball'
The Jazz stumbled down the stretch because of their play in the final 3 minutes of games 'where they don't have anyone to give the ball'
Game6Conley
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It's funny how malleable and easily deceived (some members) of a fan base, who watched their team get steamrolled by The GOAT, Michael Jordan, are....
I wonder how that could've happened in just 20 years.. Why would they place their faith in Hayward so easily
?? The west is stronger now then it ever was..
Some of y'all act like this dude is Prime Tracy McGrady, he's echelons below...
How'd the standards get this low?? Is Al Jefferson still to blame?? Hayward isn't even close to as good (for Utah) as prime Deron.. How has that been lost in these conversations
??
Same folks still trying to spin Hayward conversations into Burks vs Hayward discussions when Burks is already on-board for the next bunch of years, at an agreeable/reasonable salary for his age/talent/role/production.
These are some of the same folks that were breaking teenage Andrew Wiggins chops over lack of Killer Instinct.. right??? These are the people here giving 26 year old, highest-paid on the team, Hayward a pass, even calling him underrated.. It's totally disingenuous.. almost makes me think he's getting the benefit of the doubt because he's 'homegrown' and white..
I wonder if some of you truly see what it takes to actually win in the NBA?? It's much more than stats and efficiency, you still need to, as a team, will it to be so.. With Hayward as the top option on this team, that means 'the others' (who are all young as ****) have the option to make it happen themselves, or defer to Hayward (Or Favors) who aren't all that much better than a coinflip in big spots..
Luckily the FO knows this and has tweaked the roster so it's not set up to be made or broken by Hayward.. He's forced their hand to prepare themselves for him to leave after next season. With Hood here, Burks on a reasonable deal for 3 more seasons, multiple draft picks and capspace, they've done a better job than anyone could've expected.
"Pressure burts pipes, but it also buffs diamonds" Hayward has shown signs of bursting under not even all that much pressure, he's 26.. chances are he' a good, not great player and will remain as such..
Stephen Curry really started to break out near when he was about Haywards age, that's a bigtime outlier though..
I wonder how that could've happened in just 20 years.. Why would they place their faith in Hayward so easily
?? The west is stronger now then it ever was.. Some of y'all act like this dude is Prime Tracy McGrady, he's echelons below...
How'd the standards get this low?? Is Al Jefferson still to blame?? Hayward isn't even close to as good (for Utah) as prime Deron.. How has that been lost in these conversations
??Same folks still trying to spin Hayward conversations into Burks vs Hayward discussions when Burks is already on-board for the next bunch of years, at an agreeable/reasonable salary for his age/talent/role/production.
These are some of the same folks that were breaking teenage Andrew Wiggins chops over lack of Killer Instinct.. right??? These are the people here giving 26 year old, highest-paid on the team, Hayward a pass, even calling him underrated.. It's totally disingenuous.. almost makes me think he's getting the benefit of the doubt because he's 'homegrown' and white..
I wonder if some of you truly see what it takes to actually win in the NBA?? It's much more than stats and efficiency, you still need to, as a team, will it to be so.. With Hayward as the top option on this team, that means 'the others' (who are all young as ****) have the option to make it happen themselves, or defer to Hayward (Or Favors) who aren't all that much better than a coinflip in big spots..
Luckily the FO knows this and has tweaked the roster so it's not set up to be made or broken by Hayward.. He's forced their hand to prepare themselves for him to leave after next season. With Hood here, Burks on a reasonable deal for 3 more seasons, multiple draft picks and capspace, they've done a better job than anyone could've expected.
"Pressure burts pipes, but it also buffs diamonds" Hayward has shown signs of bursting under not even all that much pressure, he's 26.. chances are he' a good, not great player and will remain as such..
Stephen Curry really started to break out near when he was about Haywards age, that's a bigtime outlier though..
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Game6Conley
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this dude watched Deron style on the Jazz in the most crucial game of the season.. and responded with brick after brick from 3
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I agree and I dont blame him at all for anything. He had a good year and helped the jazz as much as he possible could.
Having said that, I do think he is overrated. A lot of jazz fans have him rated as a player that we should sign to a contract for 5 years and 150 million. To me, that says that he is overrated.
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Hayward has not missed many games in his career but it would be interesting to find the games that he did miss and see what our offensive efficiency was during those games and if we won or lost the games at a higher rate than we did when he was healthy and in the lineup.
I do remember a nice win this year against cleveland with no hayward. I'm curious to how we fared in the past when he missed games.
So you agree with everyone else but pretend not to see it. Hayward is a great Robin. Need a Batman.
Jamezz
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I agree. Pay him like a Robin and pursue our Batman. And if he doesn't like it he can hit the road quite frankly.
Game6Conley
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When Hayward chokes (again) next year people are really going to be surprised/upset about it, so I'll post this now and bump it later..
Dude averaged 11 points a game vs the Spurs this season.. They were 1-2 vs the rockets with him and 1-0 without him.
this is the player thats going to lead the Jazz past the Warriors?? WTF are you smoking ??? People around here talk about him like the Jazz couldn't possibly extract equal value in return for him..
No matter how much you hope and lie to yourself about it, Hayward is not this teams Derek Jeter.. He's not even close.
He played 46 minutes in that OT loss to the Clippers backups.. What a Gamechanger!! He deserves LeBron $$$!!! He had 7 turnovers in that game..
Hayward is making the decsision to try to trade him before next years deadline an easy one.I can't wait til he's gone, wouldn't be surprised if it had a positive effect on the team, like taking the training wheels off.
lettuce not forget that the FO could potentially rip some hopeful playoff team off for Hayward next season.. To not consider that because your so smitten with his talents would be a grievous oversight.
Dude averaged 11 points a game vs the Spurs this season.. They were 1-2 vs the rockets with him and 1-0 without him.
this is the player thats going to lead the Jazz past the Warriors?? WTF are you smoking ??? People around here talk about him like the Jazz couldn't possibly extract equal value in return for him..
No matter how much you hope and lie to yourself about it, Hayward is not this teams Derek Jeter.. He's not even close.
He played 46 minutes in that OT loss to the Clippers backups.. What a Gamechanger!! He deserves LeBron $$$!!! He had 7 turnovers in that game..
Hayward is making the decsision to try to trade him before next years deadline an easy one.I can't wait til he's gone, wouldn't be surprised if it had a positive effect on the team, like taking the training wheels off.
lettuce not forget that the FO could potentially rip some hopeful playoff team off for Hayward next season.. To not consider that because your so smitten with his talents would be a grievous oversight.
Hayward is fine, and was our true leader this year. He was there in most games and in most second halves, especially the second half of the year. He kept them afloat with all the injuries. I heard a couple of analysts on NBA radio talking about him being maybe the 6th best SF in the game.
The guy I think the Jazz have overrated is Favors. When he is healthy and comes to play he can dominate. It seems like he does that only a couple of times a month when he is healthy though. I also wonder if Lyles is not a better fit with Rudy.
The guy I think the Jazz have overrated is Favors. When he is healthy and comes to play he can dominate. It seems like he does that only a couple of times a month when he is healthy though. I also wonder if Lyles is not a better fit with Rudy.
That's just it. The Jazz are. They matched what another team was willing to pay for him. Hayward would get that kind of money from almost every single team in the league. That's the NBA now a days.
If we all think we have tight wad owners now just wait till you see the complaining if they don't match normal league salaries/contracts...
The Hayward hate is stupid, just like I think the Burke hate is dumb. However I am absolutely open to seeing if there is a deal for Hayward that will make the team better.
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You said it Stoked, "normal league salaries/contracts", not maxing out a borderline allstar. It's very simple. We'll see what happens when the time comes. I just wouldn't like to get stuck with Hayward being our #1 option as many thinks that he is when it's clear that we need an upgrade in that category (franchise player).
Game6Conley
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I know Coach Quinn has spoken about the '04 Pistons and trying to emulate that type of team success.. They had "Mr. Big Shot" Chauncey Billups as a team leader though.. Gordon "How does my hair look" Hayward isn't that dude, not even close.. He'd prefer to win all the games by 10-15 and avoid crunchtime.
For Hayward that is a normal contract. If the Jazz don't pay him that another team will. I am not saying the jazz have to keep him. I am saying its foolish to act like the Jazz overpaid him.
On the 1# option point we, and most of the board actually, agree. He would be a fantastic #2 but is not a #1.