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This season was a failure

David Stern

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Sure, the injuries were terrible, but the Jazz flat out choked this year. I get that they're a young team, but I think everyone expected them to at least take a small step forward. It just didn't happen.

Last year, Hayward took a huge step forward after getting the max contract. This year, he was virtually the same player. That's fine, but I was hoping for some improvement.

Favors was injured for most of the season, but at least showed some improvement early on. He had definitely regressed by the end of the season, probably due to injury.

Gobert is still an elite defensive player, but slightly regressed this year, also probably due to injury.

Hood was insanely inconsistent throughout the year, but improved from year one.

The two highlights of the year were probably getting Mack for almost nothing, and Lyles growing into a potential starter/impact player for the future. He was developed perfectly.

We all knew that this year was toast when Exum got hurt. We knew we had no depth, but at least our team still fought. The bottom half of the West was way down this year though, and all the Jazz had to do to make the playoffs was to beat a Clippers team that was basically throwing the game. To me, the way this team choked when they had a golden opportunity to make the playoffs make this season a failure, but there was definitely some really good things that came from it. I'm not hitting the panic button yet, but making the playoffs next season is a MUST for this rebuild to be successful.
 
We finished with 2 more wins and the same 12th pick as last year. Basically no improvement. Kinda lame
 
Not a failure at all, given the injuries and being just under.500 on the season was fine with me. Disappointing of course, but to say the whole year was a waist and failure is a bit much.
 
Not a failure at all, given the injuries and being just under.500 on the season was fine with me. Disappointing of course, but to say the whole year was a waist and failure is a bit much.

I tend to grade a season in a Pass/Fail type of mentality. I said that were some good things that happened and never called the season a waste.
 
I tend to grade a season in a Pass/Fail type of mentality. I said that were some good things that happened and never called the season a waste.

My bad, based on that I can see your point in giving them a failing grade. I'd give them an incomplete.
 
My bad, based on that I can see your point in giving them a failing grade. I'd give them an incomplete.

You're probably right though, using the word failure is a bit strong for how I'm feeling about it. I think your last post was correct, I'd call this season a disappointment.
 
I stopped coming here when we started winning t end the season, because I hadn't been here in a while (there's usually a lot of negativity here) and things were breaking well for us. But this end of the season was rough, terrible. And to cap it off becomeing the doormat for Kobe's storybook ending ... insult to injury. I'm pissed. What a wasted season. 2 more wins than last year. 12th pick, same position. Spinning our wheels because Hayward -- love him or hate him, a crucial player -- odds are leaves after next year. Wheels continue to spin. Hope the Lakers lose their pick. **** basketball for making me this emo.
 
How is this season not a waste? 1 player got much better(Lyles) 1 player improved a bit (Hood) Everyone else got worse or stayed about the same.
I now have serious doubts about Snyder. This team fell apart when it should have pulled together. in 2 weeks they went from a hopeful 6 seed to a 9 seed. The odds that the Jazz would make to playoffs were over 90% just 2 weeks ago. Pathetic.
 
I think Hayward made a big improvement this year by just being consistent over the season. In previous seasons he would go through real hot and cold streaks, sort of like Hood this year, but I think this year his consistency has been very impressive.

And I think that's a huge part of everyones's development going forward. There is no doubt these guys all have the ability to put up a great game on any night, if we can have more consistent contributions across the board we're golden.
 
I think Hayward made a big improvement this year by just being consistent over the season. In previous seasons he would go through real hot and cold streaks, sort of like Hood this year, but I think this year his consistency has been very impressive.

Season by season he has always been consistently right around a 43% shooter from the field and 35% from three while playing good defense and rebounding and passing well.

I feel like he has pretty much been consistently good his whole career.
 
How is this season not a waste? 1 player got much better(Lyles) 1 player improved a bit (Hood) Everyone else got worse or stayed about the same.
I now have serious doubts about Snyder. This team fell apart when it should have pulled together. in 2 weeks they went from a hopeful 6 seed to a 9 seed. The odds that the Jazz would make to playoffs were over 90% just 2 weeks ago. Pathetic.

I am still hopeful the Jazz will turn into a perennial contender in the West but your post set me back a little. I can't disagree with you.
 
I tend to grade a season in a Pass/Fail type of mentality. I said that were some good things that happened and never called the season a waste.

But it is not that black and white.

- Jazz improved win total
- Jazz had several players progress in various areas
- Jazz played some big games and learned a lot of hard lessons
- Jazz chocked in some of those big games, especially late
- Jazz missed the playoffs
- Injury bug walloped this team
- Jazz improved back up PG play
- Failed to improve the bench

Overall I'd rate this season a B- when it should have been an A-. Good but disappointing.
 
Yeah I'm discouraged, I won't lie.

DL harped on about our "internal arc of improvement" all last offseason. Even with the injuries to Dante, Alec, Rudy and Favors, I still expected more than 40 wins.

Really no excuses next season. And I'll be frustrated if we completely stand pat like we did last offseason.
 
Season was a great success, IMO. I think they landed about where they were aiming for (considering the injuries)..

Way too many youngins showing out for me to have the audacity to complain..

y'all don;t really know what bad NBA basketball looks like if this is what you're complaining about..
 
The way the season ended was maddening but there are a couple of truths that the downers seem to be forgetting:

- Once Dante was injured, we flat out knew this team would struggle to secure the 8 seed, and that's EXACTLY what happened.

- When you have without a doubt the worst bench in the league, can you really expect massive win improvement when your starting rotation is constantly in flux due to injuries? When we're healthy, we're good, when we're not, we're bad. Until depth is considerably improved, that's who we are.

To tell you the honest truth, I'm surprised we didn't take a step backwards with all that went on. I'm not pushing the panic button until I actually start seeing Quin go backwards in win totals.
 
How is this season not a waste? 1 player got much better(Lyles) 1 player improved a bit (Hood) Everyone else got worse or stayed about the same.
I now have serious doubts about Snyder. This team fell apart when it should have pulled together. in 2 weeks they went from a hopeful 6 seed to a 9 seed. The odds that the Jazz would make to playoffs were over 90% just 2 weeks ago. Pathetic.

I agree with doubts about Snyder. I have no questions about his player development skills, but some guys are just not made out to be a head coach. I am not good with stats, but I would love to figure out a way to see basket conversion out of a time out. From just my eye check the Jazz were horrible on calling a time out to slow an opponents run and then not converting out of that time out. I may be way off, but that was a real sore spot for me this year and caused us to lose a lot of the close games.
 
Not a complete failure, but a big disappointment. Will we ever see what this team looks like full strength?

I think Lyles was a revelation and is the major source of hope from this season. Hayward was really good... Hood showed flashes... Favors did his ever so slight improvement that he does every year.

Overall I rate this season a meh. Some of that was self imposed... some just bad luck. Maybe this season was more like a whatevs... somewhere between meh and whatevs.
 
Failure? Lol. We showed the league that this is a 70 win team w Kevin Durant and a refilled bench. You think barely missing the playoffs w out Exum n Burks plus about 60 missed games combines is failure? GTFO. We are getting KD and we are competing for the Conference next season. With any luck, and I think DL has shown more than adept at this, we will get a stud in the late rounds of the draft who will push us over the top.


Did I mention Hood will be a all star soon? Inconsistent you can kiss my bloody fungus filled ***.
 
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