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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wallis/donald-trump-and-the-deat_b_9383414.html

"It’s time to put the moral crisis over the political one. Donald Trump’s potential nomination by the Republican Party is not just a crisis for that party and for election politics in general, it is a moral crisis for the country, for democracy itself, and for the state of faith in the nation.

The media can act shocked about Trump failing to quickly and very clearly denounce David Duke and the KKK and their support for him, but they didn’t seriously ask the more important question: Why do the advocates of white supremacy like and advocate for Donald Trump?

Here’s why: When a person fears death to his way of life on the horizon, he fights like hell to cling onto it. And that’s what is happening now.

If what you, as a white person, are most worried about is how the demographics of your country are changing to make it more diverse, what you really need is a strong white man who will block, obstruct, deny, or delay that demographic from changing the country further. And that’s what Donald Trump promises to be for them — an authoritarian in his leadership style with the message of a bigot. He’s threatened the press with libel laws that would allow the government to go after them. He said the Republican Speaker of the House would need to support him as president or he would “pay a big price.” He has attacked the judge presiding over the Trump University lawsuit, implying that he is not being impartial toward Trump because the judge happens to be Latino. And anybody who ever opposes or challenges Trump gets called every name in the book with a vile tone and language we would never accept from our children.

If Trump could turn American politics into a TV reality show, which he really already has, there would be little respect for the balance of power between government sectors; for freedom of the press; for civil discourse about disagreements in a democracy; and certainly for the racial diversity that is building a bridge to a new America. Instead, Trump promises to build walls to stop all that — many of them. Even Pope Francis said that kind of wall building is “not Christian.”

Trump is the ultimate “boss” and loves that role. That might work for him on The Apprentice, but would public officials, reporters, political opponents, and dissenters feel threatened by an American president acting like everyone else’s boss in the White House?

Of course, not every Trump voter is a KKK enthusiast, but they should feel bothered by those who are. Let’s be honest: Racial fear, anger, and even hate are core to Trump’s message. While most of his voters would not embrace the overt and explicit racism of the KKK, the covert and implicit racism so common in white America has always been at the center of Trump’s campaign and his appeal.

Trump started and has continued his campaign with vicious personal attacks questioning the birthplace of the first black president — saying he is not one of “us” — which the majority of his supporters enthusiastically believes. Trump launched his presidential campaign with a speech debasing Mexicans, he says he will divide by deportation the families of 11 million immigrants, he promises unconstitutionally to ban Muslims from entering the country, and to put all those already here under surveillance — which his followers also support.

If Donald Trump does win the nominee of the Republican Party, no one could any longer claim that they are “the party of Lincoln.” Lincoln fought and governed against racism, and Trump is selling it. Lincoln fought to unite the nation; Trump is a fighter who wins by dividing Americans.

We will see how many Republican leaders will say they won’t support Trump because of his character, values, and policy positions. Some Republican columnists already have testified how Trump violates genuine Christian and conservative principles.

GOP strategist Peter Wehner says, “Trumpism is not a political philosophy; it is a purposeful effort, led by a demagogue, to incite ugly passions, stoke resentments and divisions, and create fear of those who are not like ‘us’ — Mexicans, Muslims and Syrian refugees. But it will not end there. There will always be fresh targets.”

Wehner contrasts that with the principles of Jesus, saying, “... a carpenter from Nazareth offered a very different philosophy. When you see a wounded traveler on the road to Jericho, Jesus taught, you should not pass him by. ‘Truly I say to you,’ he said in Matthew, ‘to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of mine, even the least of them, you did it to me.’ ... At its core, Christianity teaches that everyone, no matter at what station or in what season in life, has inherent dignity and worth.”

Michael Gerson, an originator of “compassionate conservatism,” says, “Trump’s conception of leadership is to become large by making others small. In a reality television star, this is a job qualification. In a president, it would raise the prospect of serious damage to our democratic system.”

The biggest falsehood Trump proclaims is, “I am a great Christian,” which embarrassingly demonstrates how little the billionaire real estate dealer and casino owner understands Christian values. Trump’s rejection of Christian humility, integrity, fidelity, and compassion is further exhibited in his refusal to repent of America’s original sin of racism; instead he embraces it.

Some of the personal conversations I’ve had since the Trump victories in the Super Tuesday primaries reveal what the moral stakes are now. Two Hispanic Christian leaders told me how fearful they and their people were. “What’s going to happen?”

A deeply respected black church leader explained that Trump confronts them with a racism “without nuance,” which tells other white people they can say and do anything they want.

A black traveler stopped me in an airport and asked, “What are we going to do?”

It will be very telling to see whether white conservatives and white faith leaders “disavow” Donald Trump.

My own sons are paying attention to this, as are a whole generation of young people. Only 2 percent of his supporters are under 30. Watching the primary returns, my older son who will vote this year for the first time, remarked, “America needs to admit the masses of bigots we still have ... and idiots.” My 13-year-old, in his usual humorous way, came up to me and said, “Sorry Dad, I’m going Republican. Donald Trump really gets to me. He really understands how hard it is to be a white male. That grade in my math test shows how hard being a white guy is. Donald understands that, gets it, and is speaking for me.” The gleam in his eye covered the alarms he expressed later. “This is really scary Dad.”

By mid-century, America will no longer be a white majority country, and many older white Americans — Trump’s voters — fear and resent that. While Barack Obama didn’t win the white vote, he got black, Hispanic, Asian-American, and young voters. And many other white Americans will be voting positively for a country that is becoming a majority of minorities and are with a new generation. Our numbers are growing."
 
I'm voting for Trump whatever the hell I think he might do.

Spoken like a true sheep that votes with his party no matter what. Well done.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html

"Republican politicians marvel at how he has “tapped into” a hitherto unknown swath of the voting public. But what he has tapped into is what the founders most feared when they established the democratic republic: the popular passions unleashed, the “mobocracy.” Conservatives have been warning for decades about government suffocating liberty. But here is the other threat to liberty that Alexis de Tocqueville and the ancient philosophers warned about: that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms. As Alexander Hamilton watched the French Revolution unfold, he feared in America what he saw play out in France — that the unleashing of popular passions would lead not to greater democracy but to the arrival of a tyrant, riding to power on the shoulders of the people....

....This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him."
 
this is the worst political election in history. I know it's six months or so till the election, which is a lifetime in politics, but I'm scared to death Trump might actually win.

Though the idea of Hillary winning is nauseating too. I'm totally voting for Gary Johnson unless Colorado is so razor thin that it looks like Trump might actually have a shot, then I'll vote for, ugh, Hillary....damnit.

I hate the two party system so ****ing much when these are the two clowns that it's producing.
 
On another note, I did find it amusing that there was an article that said Trump was grabbing the early lead in Utah. I'm not sure how the GOP nominee leading Utah is a story at all, and if the race is even remotely close that's bad bad news for Trump.

Same if New York is close for Hillary, though in terms of electoral votes that would be much much much more disastrous for her.
 
On another note, I did find it amusing that there was an article that said Trump was grabbing the early lead in Utah. I'm not sure how the GOP nominee leading Utah is a story at all, and if the race is even remotely close that's bad bad news for Trump.

Same if New York is close for Hillary, though in terms of electoral votes that would be much much much more disastrous for her.

Before Trump was the presumptive nominee he was losing Utah to both Clinton and Sanders in the polls. That's the only reason it is news now.

Will Utah republicans toe the line?

yep they will
 
Will Utah republicans toe the line?

yep they will

Of course.
My number one problem with politics is that repubs and dems way too often simply vote for their party rather than the candidate that they think will be the best president of the U.S.
I wish that we were all just one big party, americans, and there were just some candidates to choose from that didn't belong to any party. I hate the divide that this system creates in our country. Pits us all against each other instead of bringing us together.
So dumb. Doesn't make any sense.
 
[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]

He didn't turn politics into a reality show, it has long since been one. He did however take it to a whole new level.
[MENTION=36]Nate505[/MENTION] this election is all about who can galvanize people the most. Not for them as both of the likely nominees are extremely polarizing but who can galvanize the most people against them.

I truly hope this damages the two party system beyond repair. It is doing fantastic damage to the tactics of both sides.
 
Iran-contra is so incredibly different than what you're talking about.

OK, I am hesitant to inquire, as I made an *** of myself last time I posted here. I promise to try and play nice this time around. I genuinely don't like babe's posts for the most part, but I am interested in your take of how incredibly different Iran-Contra was.

Thanks.
 
OK, I am hesitant to inquire, as I made an *** of myself last time I posted here. I promise to try and play nice this time around. I genuinely don't like babe's posts for the most part, but I am interested in your take of how incredibly different Iran-Contra was.

Thanks.
The people involved told themselves they were helping to free hostages. They just wanted to do it in a way that got their team the most credit. And they were willing to trade weapons to people that shouldn't have to free the hostages.

Their goal wasn't to enslave all humanity.

And... They got caught.
 
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Spoken like a true sheep that votes with his party no matter what. Well done.
Actually, I think political parties are criminal organizations thar subvert the government. All candidates for office should have no agenda, just intending to use their good sense.

Believe it or not, Trump is better than the others, even the ideological third parties.
 
The people involved told themselves they were helping to free hostages. They just wanted to do it in a way that for their team the most credit. And they were willing to trade weapons to people that shouldn't have to free the hostages.

Their goal wand to enslave all humanity.

And... They got caught.

I'm sorry, but seriously WTF..except WTMFBAFABF????


You are a nice guy but my ******** is probably smarter than your opinion on Donald Duck Reagan.

Whatever..............
 
I'm sorry, but seriously WTF..except WTMFBAFABF????


You are a nice guy but my ******** is probably smarter than your opinion on Donald Duck Reagan.

Whatever..............
Okay. This isn't something I care a lot about or put much thought into. You asked.

But since I'm responding. Babe frequently mentions conspiracies that are about people, huge numbers of people, who's goal is to destroy freedom and serve a great evil force.

Is that what Iran-Contra was?
 
I'm sorry, but seriously WTF..except WTMFBAFABF????


You are a nice guy but my ******** is probably smarter than your opinion on Donald Duck Reagan.

Whatever..............

And Ronald Reagan? You realize I'm trying to guess at the self rationalizations of the people involved in Iran-Contra, right? I'm not trying to say that what they did was right, or that their rationalizations were correct, or that it wasn't about money fame or power.

I see a difference between every real life conspiracy that has been uncovered and these grand conspiracies, the ultimate goals of which are to create hell on earth, to subvert our freedoms, to cause pain and suffering, to destroy the productive endeavors of mankind. And the kicker is that literally tens of thousands of people would have to be in the know. Like regular folks, most of them. People who wouldn't be the 1% of the 1%, just the regular old henchmen, who are 100% cool with destroying humanity for their evil overlords.

Again, is that what Iran-Contra was?
 
Here y'all go

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-sanders-idUSKCN0YH1D5

A Trump v. Sanders debate is shaping up in CA before their primary. That will be fun.
[MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION]
When it comes to Trump the entertainment factor is off the charts! Clinton initially agreed to this debate with Sanders but then backed out, probably because she wants it to appear that she's already beaten him and has no time for him at this point in the race. She wants to focus on Trump. So Trump pulls a move that no one could ever have seen coming and debates Hillary's supposedly defeated opponent. The ratings are going to be stratospheric! Hillary gunna be so mad!!!
 
When it comes to Trump the entertainment factor is off the charts! Clinton initially agreed to this debate with Sanders but then backed out, probably because she wants it to appear that she's already beaten him and has no time for him at this point in the race. She wants to focus on Trump. So Trump pulls a move that no one could ever have seen coming and debates Hillary's supposedly defeated opponent. The ratings are going to be stratospheric! Hillary gunna be so mad!!!

Not to mention the Trump and Sanders dueling rallies outside. Place will be a mad house and the best reality TV in years.
 
Not to mention the Trump and Sanders dueling rallies outside. Place will be a mad house and the best reality TV in years.
Insanity. If someone had written this political season as fiction people would have thought it was so ridiculous and over the top that it was not worth the paper it was written on, but now that it's actually happening we can hardly bring ourselves to look the other direction. And every time we do look away something even crazier, like this bizarre debate from Planet Insanity, happens.

I would love to watch a live feed of Hillary's face as it goes on. She's going to get absolutely crucified. I'll bet they spend a large percentage of the time talking about her.
 
[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]

He didn't turn politics into a reality show, it has long since been one. He did however take it to a whole new level.
[MENTION=36]Nate505[/MENTION] this election is all about who can galvanize people the most. Not for them as both of the likely nominees are extremely polarizing but who can galvanize the most people against them.

I truly hope this damages the two party system beyond repair. It is doing fantastic damage to the tactics of both sides.

Yep. He understood that the debate venue in particular was a badly acted reality TV show. And since reality TV was his venue anyway, he just barged onto the stage and played it for all it was worth. Slamming everyone, knowing the audience would love it.
 
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