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It's hard to know what Sacramento is going to do at a 8. They've been one of the most unpredictable teams in the draft lately. I've heard Valentine rumored there. I have them taking Luwawu but who really knows.
 
stitches said:
Exum-Burks-Hood-Hayward-Lyles... 5 out, all can handle, all can shoot(Exum - kinda), all can playmake... all 6'6" or taller, can switch everything. That unit might be really fun to watch. It also might not be able to stop anybody, but still worth trying it...
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Lyles would have to make huge strides defensively and build up a lot of strength for that to work. I agree, that could be really exciting though.
 
prodigy said:
Attempt at a lottery mock draft:

1- 76ers: Ben Simmons
2- Lakers: Brandon Ingram
3- Celtics: Marquese Chriss
4- Suns: Jamal Murray(pick traded)
5- T-Wolves: Kris Dunn
6- Pelicans: Buddy Hield
7- Nuggets: Dragan Bender
8- Kings: Timothe Luwawu
9- Raptors: Domantas Sabonis
10- Bucks: Denzel Valentine
11- Magic: Jaylen Brown
12- Jazz: Jakob Poeltl
13- Suns: Taurean Prince
14- Bulls: Wade Baldwin
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That's a solid mock. I think the Celtics go for the home-run with Chriss too. Hard talent to pass up and Celtics are in a good position to take shots with their draft picks.

EDIT: Wow just saw Chriss is #3 on DraftExpress. He is FLYING up. Also Valentine at #23? Is he that much worse than Hield?
 
MDAV28 said:
That's a solid mock. I think the Celtics go for the home-run with Chriss too. Hard talent to pass up and Celtics are in a good position to take shots with their draft picks.

EDIT: Wow just saw Chriss is #3 on DraftExpress. He is FLYING up. Also Valentine at #23? Is he that much worse than Hield?
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Totally different
 
MDAV28 said:
Great shooters, non-explosive athletes, bad defenders. What am I missing? Hield can create more for himself sure but Valentine can create more for others right?
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Neither are great athletes, but that doesn't mean their athleticism is similar. Valentine is much worse of an athlete IMO.

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Both should be playing the same role though. Spot up shooter that can't create for themselves. And while I don't love Hield's defense, it actually is a lot better than Valentine's. Valentine is a putrid defender, which is a really bad look for a senior.
 
Shooting? Check.
Size? Check.
Perimeter defense? Check.
Ability to get to the line? Check.
Off ball defense? Check.
Room for lots of improvement? Check.


Wade Baldwin guys. Fits our needs.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Cy has been killing killing dudes for the past 50 or so pages.
Next year's bench looks like this.
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Of course you think cy has been killing dudes. He agrees with you after all.
Thee jazz fan said:
Neto. Mack. (Shooter/scorer)
Burks. (6th man and one of the top scorers before his injury off the bench, improving 3pt shot gets to the line at a high rate)
Ingles. (When he's on he's quite leathal, can run the offense high IQ floor spacer bench glue)
Lyles. (Potent offensive scorer and floor spacer and playmaker)
Whithy. (Defensively and as a rim protector as good as it gets for a backup center)

Then there's the fact that we have a lotto pick, and recent history suggests it will be a decent to good player, and if there was ever a year the Jazz were going to trade the pick for a vet its this draft.

Looking at the entire team. We have a high profile player at every starting position and two good players at almost every position. This is a very deal team top to bottom. I'm just a bit confused how this isn't one of the deapest teams in the NBA.
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I agree with this part of your post. That is part of the problem.

We have lots of good players and lots of depth. But we don't have any top level special elite players. Because we have good depth and lots of good players we could lose a good player and still have lots of depth and lots of good players

Some of us think that we should use one of our good assets to get a star player. What is the best and most common way to get a star player? In the draft.
 
I disagree that we have lots of depth. Our bench sucks. It needs major improvement. Ingles should rarely play good minutes, Neto is meh, Withey is just ok, and as much as I love Lyles, he's still pretty raw. Burks should be traded at some point. So we need wing depth, and definitely some better front court depth as well.

I would take a strong, strong look at trading up in the 2nd to get Chinanu Onuake. Even with the heart condition, the kid can play.
 
stitches said:
Exum-Burks-Hood-Hayward-Lyles... 5 out, all can handle, all can shoot(Exum - kinda), all can playmake... all 6'6" or taller, can switch everything. That unit might be really fun to watch. It also might not be able to stop anybody, but still worth trying it...
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I agree that it would be fun to watch.
 
MDAV28 said:
Great shooters, non-explosive athletes, bad defenders. What am I missing? Hield can create more for himself sure but Valentine can create more for others right?
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spycam1 said:
Neither are great athletes, but that doesn't mean their athleticism is similar. Valentine is much worse of an athlete IMO.

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Isn't hield quite a bit better shooter too?
 
#bern said:
Ingles should rarely play good minutes, Neto is meh, Withey is just ok, and as much as I love Lyles, he's still pretty raw.
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Ingles won't play.
Neto won't play.
Withey won't play.

The bench players are mack, burks, lyles, and this year's draft pick.
At least one starter will always be on the court at all times. (Hood or Hayward with burks at the wing. Favors or Gobert with lyles.)

The bench lineup should look something like
Mack
Burks
Luwawoo
Lyles
Favors

Or
Mack
Burks
Hood
Lyles
Peurtle

Something like that

And that is not counting any free agents we might acquire.

Jazz will have plenty of good nba players this coming season.
 
#bern said:
I disagree that we have lots of depth. Our bench sucks. It needs major improvement. Ingles should rarely play good minutes, Neto is meh, Withey is just ok, and as much as I love Lyles, he's still pretty raw. Burks should be traded at some point. So we need wing depth, and definitely some better front court depth as well.

I would take a strong, strong look at trading up in the 2nd to get Chinanu Onuake. Even with the heart condition, the kid can play.
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You say you don't like our bench and then say you think Burks, one of the highest scoring bench players, should be traded at some point...
 
The question wasn't if Valentine is as good or better than Hield. The question was is it #6 to #23 prospect difference?
 
I think this notion of "Burks doesn't help teams" is beginning to become a bit overstated.

He isn't a complete turnstile on defence. He brings us something different at the wing position, and should only be traded for something promising in return. I'm fine with keeping him
 
MDAV28 said:
You say you don't like our bench and then say you think Burks, one of the highest scoring bench players, should be traded at some point...
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I don't think Burks is a good fit here. That's why I don't want him. I just think our bench is pretty weak. Neto needs to improve a ton, Lyles needs to improve a ton, we still need another front court player, we need wing depth which we don't have outside of Burks.
 
dalamon said:
I think this notion of "Burks doesn't help teams" is beginning to become a bit overstated.

He isn't a complete turnstile on defence. He brings us something different at the wing position, and should only be traded for something promising in return. I'm fine with keeping him
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Oh I'm not saying he doesn't help. He's fine off the bench, I just don't like the fit. He's arguably our best bench player.
 
prodigy said:
It's hard to know what Sacramento is going to do at a 8. They've been one of the most unpredictable teams in the draft lately. I've heard Valentine rumored there. I have them taking Luwawu but who really knows.
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How so? Everyone knew they were taking WCS last year.

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stitches said:
Exum-Burks-Hood-Hayward-Lyles... 5 out, all can handle, all can shoot(Exum - kinda), all can playmake... all 6'6" or taller, can switch everything. That unit might be really fun to watch. It also might not be able to stop anybody, but still worth trying it...
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5 out is dumb, that isn't good for spacing and is terrible on the glass.

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