The Fresh Prince
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I'm ready to see this guys full potential. The stuff he did last year was a glimpse of a guy who can be a star forward in the league.
Can/Will Lyles make Favors expendable?
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bjwsan
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I'm ready to see some defense.
But to your question, no. Expect Favors to be solid, dependable, and constant double-double.
cctrackstar
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nah. completely different players, both helpful. the biggest problem will be paying both of them, but that decision won't have to be made for a few years.
Crawlnstall
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If Lyles can play some elite defense then maybe
latin jazz
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Moving him for a wing would force subsequent trades for the Jazz, which would also mean the risk of getting less than what you ship away in those trades.
ghsartin
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BTP, I totally disagree with your statement. Favors is just a borderline all-star. One which unfortunately may be very close to peaking due to his injuries. Offensively he is a good - but not great - shooter, who doesn't have a post game and hardly will drive to basket when facing it. On the other side of the floor, one might say that he is a better one-on-one defender at the 4 than the 5, due to his size; but a very good help defender at either position. If all this in mind, I would say that he is closer to being a Serge Ibaka than a vintage Dwight Howard. In other words, Favors seems much more like a complementary player than a building block. Lyles, on the other hand, seems to have the potential to be a go-to man offensively, but looks extremely passive defensively, which is very worrisome. For now, neither Favors or Lyles seem untouchable, IMO.
latin jazz
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I didn't suggest to trade him for a wing.
I was pointing out that you overvalue him, well above players who are obviously better than him. He is a great player but in all honesty, he is close to his ceiling.
I love Favors but if Lyles develops, you at least must consider trading Favors down the line to get you top talent in return.
Lyles is very hit and miss and his defense so far has been horrible.
Favors is a top3 big when it comes to switching the PnR, an invaluable playoff skill. Breaking offensive sequences and holding your ground against guards is incredibly valuable. His rebounding is very good and his offense is very, very efficient.
He's a potential antidote to the Warriors and his contract means he's paid half than what he's worth considering he's in his 7th year now and turning 25 years old next week.
Trying to argue with Power Forward and Center position won't work with me. Basketball is a positionless game and if you're good and versatile enough you're better than a metagame. Favors is that.
The players you suggested were wings. If you trade him for one of those you have to also trade Hayward + Burks/Exum as a result. Are you confident you can get fair market value on Hayward's expiring and Exum/Burks post injury? I'm not.
latin jazz
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If you read closely I said 'Klay, Kawhi or any top 15 player'. That includes every position. My point was that you may consider trading Favors to net you a better player, regardless of position. You are only willing to trade him for KD, AD and KAT because of fit issues at other positions?. I disagree with that.
Then you kind of contradict your self saying "Basketball is a positionless game" but then you are only willing to trade Favors for a Center/PF.
Also, I didn't mean trading Favors NOW. I said 'down the line'. You could package him with picks and/or players (and that includes Burks...sorry Fish. If Alec plays well this season he could be a great asset due to his very reasonable contract (same with Favors).
I love Favors and I don't mind him staying here long-term. But if a team with a superstar calls, I would listen (specially if Lyles becomes a stud and a two-way player)
Most players cant guard certain other archetypes. But the meta is very loose, you can exploit the geometry of the floor in multiple ways. I usually differentiate only between wings and bigs + playmakers v non playmakers. Favors has the body to compete with anyone, which is extremely valuable in a playoff setting.
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There are more that a worthwhile obvi. But these three are the most desirable long term as they provide the same defensive and positionless flexibility that Favors does. There will be some games where Gobert is unplayable for stretches.
green
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Lyles is irrelevant to Favors' future in Utah. Here is why:
You can only max three players under the current CBA.
Hayward is max player #1.
The Jazz like Gobert more than Favors. Gobert might be max player #2.
So, who is #3? Is it Favors?
Does a max three of Favors, Hayward and Gobert win you a title?
Nope.
So, if you are sold on Gobert, like Utah is, and you are sold on Hayward, like Utah obviously is, then Favors doesn't have a future here.
The math is pretty simple.
Utah will try to move Favors and Hood for a max wing player and pray like crazy that Exum takes some huge steps forward.
You can only max three players under the current CBA.
Hayward is max player #1.
The Jazz like Gobert more than Favors. Gobert might be max player #2.
So, who is #3? Is it Favors?
Does a max three of Favors, Hayward and Gobert win you a title?
Nope.
So, if you are sold on Gobert, like Utah is, and you are sold on Hayward, like Utah obviously is, then Favors doesn't have a future here.
The math is pretty simple.
Utah will try to move Favors and Hood for a max wing player and pray like crazy that Exum takes some huge steps forward.
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Give Lyles three more years and then, maybe. But he is not close to replacing Favors at this time.