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All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: Thee jazz fan vs. addictionary

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Team Thee jazz fan:

PG - John Stockton / Mark Price
SG - Ray Allen / Paul George
SF - Drazen Petrovic / Alex English
PF - Shawn Marion / Larry Nance
C - Wilt Chamberlain / Bill Laimbeer

Team addictionary:

PG - Allen Iverson / Kyrie Irving
SG - Reggie Miller / Steve Kerr
SF - LeBron James / Elgin Baylor
PF - Elvin Hayes / Amar'e Stoudemire
C - Dikembe Mutombo / Artis Gilmore

Thee jazz fan's Case:

This team IMO is the best passing, and long distend shooting team in the draft, even Wilt lead the league in assists in one year.

This will be a spread the floor two man game type of system.

Wilt is the most dominant offensive player of all time. In one year... 50/25 playing 48 mins a game. Wilt was as skilled as any center to play in a he NBA.

https://youtu.be/ZbfKqS89UE4

He could be a brute force like Shaq, or play in the post with great Olajuwonesk footwork and post moves and had a deadly 10ft fadeaway

If Addi's team doesn't double team Wilt he will probably go off for 70 pts if u double and bring extra help, he is a great passer and will hit Allen and Drazen for open 3's, they are two of the best shooters to play the game

https://youtu.be/2r9TOIOjksg (Allen crossover)

https://youtu.be/0EUo5p6D990 (Reggie Miller talks about Drazen being a better shooter then himself)

https://youtu.be/c4TsDb7Stsk (Drazen fakes out Olajuwon)

or hit Stockton or the Matrix cutting down the middle of the paint

https://youtu.be/BWHKZlQ9x7Q (Wilt passing highlights)

Stockton helped make Malone the all time #2 scorer of all time, now Stockton is Wilts pg. wilt just might get his second 100 pt game thanks to the greatest pure passing pg

https://youtu.be/KswfBq_tuGw
https://youtu.be/myMvojT6zIc

Expect the greatest two man game of all time with an athletic do everything guy who can stuff the state sheet get offensive rebounds and block shots in the Marion,

https://youtu.be/HhadNj-TTGg (Marion Highlights)

with Allen and Drazen behind the 3pt line.

The starters will be a quick paced team, not necessarily shooting early in the shot clock, but they will run.

The second unit will slow the pace considerably and play more of a hard nosed defense. The second unit is full of length and athleticism. English, Nance, Paul George, and Laimbeer being a tough as nails low post pitbull using his cunning hustle and getting under the other teams skin.

Speaking of Laimbeer he will bring a new attitude of defense and overall toughness, and will get some time playing with Wilt against the bigger lineups, without getting in the way. As he can play on the perimeter and hit the occasional three. He will also bring with him the Jordan rules for LBJ and AI and teach them to the rest of the team.

addictionary's Case:

FRONT COURT

This team has been formed mostly due to great all around skilled players, except for the center position. I needed rim protection and fundamental center skills in there. Pivotal to a teams success. This team is going to have enough shooting to clear enough space for everyone regardless of the line up on court in certain parts of the game.

C - Mutombo's match up against Wilt is really tough. He will be worn out, but hopefully will give enough trouble to the Goliath down low to give room to my cutters. Gilmore is definitely the back up I need because of the effort Mutombo will give in this match up with his size and skillset. He will have easier time against 2nd party unit. I don't want Artis against Wilt too much because Wilt will already limit his scoring, so I would gain more from Artis if he goes against 2nd unit.
Artis Gilmore Mixtape: [URL[/MEDIA[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5EUU9UZWCc[/URL]

PF - Elvin Hayes has a really good all around game with great amount of hustle against any player he matches. He is renown for his automatic turnaround jumpers and determined battling against his opponents, a little bit reminds me of Barkley in that manner. He is disciplined, and will hit a lot of mid rangers but preferable low post. He has aggressive defense is expected to shut down any of his match ups in this one. He is backed up by Stoudamire, who in his prime was an absolutely beast in regards to athleticism and a shooting skill that became much more later on. Amare simply will destroy the second unit PF Nance I believe.

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Elvin Hayes...

SF - Lebron James is arguably the most dominant player ever to play the game with insane level of combination of every skill, such an all around game that he can play 5 spots if he has to, although I wouldn't wanna see him defend Wilt down low! lol.. His match up is Drazen Petrovic, may God rest him in his light, historically good shooter, and passer, but will have the hardest time of his life doing absolutely anything on the court against Lebron's D and will not have too much of an effect defending him. My back up SF Elgin Baylor is recognized as one of the best all around players ever to play basketball. He even is considered "the best all around player ever" by some authorities. He has an amazing instinct and IQ for the game, sees the court so well that if you please care to check out at least 10 minutes the video below, you can easily see a combination of Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen with an older style but faster thinking and acting and very good shooting and extraordinarily good passing. Alex English is a great player, but will have tough time against Bron-Baylor rotation in both ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqyNDsigbS4&t=925s

BACK COURT

SG -- Reggie Miller is considered the best shooter in the history. Of course other cases can be created for other players. Heck, some might come up with Steve Kerr, his back up in this team too. Miller is such a force in this spot, that his undying motor gave the Bulls their toughest time in post season history. Jordan said this after the game 7 against Pacers in 1998: "This was the hardest playoff experience of our careers". (from the famous "Defense wins championships interview). Steve Kerr is your man, when you give him his space, spot him up in any side of the line,and make him BANG! Like his student Steph Curry now. He saved Bulls' butt-countless times. He will give enormous outside scoring in his time on court,which is essential to any dominant team when their shooting is off but have players like that to use athleticism to handle the ball and dish it to the open. Matchups Allen and George are very tough ones. Ray Allen needs to be shotdown. Reggie will handle it. Reggie vs Allen is historically good matchup. Something to watch. Paul George is too big and athletic for Kerr obviously, soI will need to rotate players like Lebron over him.
Reggie Game Winner AgainstBulls: [url[/MEDIA[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlNnLXBnMfM[/url]

PG - Here is another spot that I like to watch. Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving are unstoppable, but so are Stockton and Price are. I think the decisive point of this series will be to give Stockton the hardest time of his life finding teammates, because if you give him 2 seconds of blank moment, he will find a way. This is where, hustle and focus wlil payoff. Price is a crazy 3 point shooter, so I will need to move quickly and switch over screens smartly to stop the pick and rolls and perimeter shooting-coming from this spot. I think my line up from 4 to 1 is skilled enough to switch well and defend anyone including PG's.
Allen Iverson Passing: [url[/MEDIA[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83SJmW6WpdQ[/url]

Anyone already forget this?........ [url[/MEDIA[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxEdwPaF1ko[/url]

Thank you for reading this far.
 
Enjoyed your team writeup Addi.

I enjoyed the Gilmore highlights, and very underrated. You are smart to keep him away from Wilt, however Wilt will play most of the game. In his 50/25 year he played 48 mins a game and he would play most of the game here in this series so Gilmore would run into Wilt at some point.

As dominant as LBJ is and skilled, wilt has him beat. Wilt was a force the NBA will never see on the offensive end. He was capable of putting up 50 pts 25 rebounds 6-10 assists 4-8 blocks.

The Phoenix Suns Stoudemire was an athletic freak and explosive as hell, but Nance would've held up just fine. Most consider Nance an all time great dunker. He was long and athletic and even made an all defensive first team. He was one of the better rim protectors at the pf position. Nance certainly wouldn't have dominated Stoudemire, but he'd have held up being an athletic beast of his own.

Drazen certainly would struggle with LBJ, but as I said in my write up my team has a plan, as Laimbeer knows how to deal with guys like LBJ in the form of the Jordan rules. Laimbeer's Pistons were the last to defeat Jordan thanks to the Jordan rules and I think Jordan had a stronger mental aspect to deal with the Jordan rules that wears down a player both physically and mentally, so Drazen will be backed up by the entire team. Also, Drazen was a wizard with the ball, an all time great shooter who needed little space to get his shot off. Drazen would relish the oppertunity to take one the king as he was a fierce competitor. LBJ would end up wearing Draz down, I know this, but Draz would get a few shots of his own against LBJ. remember how Drazen famously went at Jordan and openly challenged him. He ended up dropping 40 on the goat. Also look at the YouTube video of Draz making Hakeem look foolish.

One last thought. I recall LBJ and Wade needing time to jell as both needed the ball and both were alpha's. There would be a similar problem between him and AI. as AI would struggle to just give up the ball being second fiddle on offense. A 7 game series isn't enough time to figure it out between the two. On my team there is no such adjusting problems as Stockton runs the offense and his game is centered around getting Wilt the ball in great position to score in a suffocating two man game with shooters and the slashing of the Matrix.
 
Having a guy that was as athletic, but even more dominant and every bit as skilled, but people don't realize just how skilled he was. He's a more skilled and athletic Shaq, and he was a force of nature in his own right, and somehow I was able to draft Wilt with the 13th pick. I'm sure most will underrate him.
 
Hmmm... This is tough

I think I prefer the overall athleticism in addictionary's starting five. Wilt has a huge advantage at center, sure, but I'm a pretty young dude so I just dunno how big of an advantage he truly has. All I know is that Drazen dude won't be able to guard anyone, and no one is gonna stay in front of Lebron or AI. Wilt may dominate the glass, but I think addictionary's team is gonna outboard thee's at every other position. Any dumb shots by thee's team and it will be an easy dunk or open three for Reggie at the other end. In the end, Wilt will dominate, but I am counting on addictionary's team to be too overwhelming and relentless as a whole.
 
Don't like the AI/Lebron combo at all, but I think Deke and Gilmore are great matchups for Wilt (Wilt obviously still has the advantage). I think Addi pulls it out, but it's a close one.
 
I think that whoever wins this matchup will not go much farther.

This is a tough matchup. Gonna have to bust out my ranking scale.
 
After my breakdown i have it like this:
(in order of importance)
Starting talent: Dead even. Gave both teams an 8 of ten
Fit: Thee
Individual matchups: Addy
Bench: Thee. Just by the tiniest of margins.
Strategy/coaching: Thee. I really like the idea of centering everything around a dominant big like wilt and forcing addy to double him and then kicking out to some really good shooters. I think thee could pack the paint a bit on defense and really heavily on wilt on that end too.

My vote goes to thee.
 
I love Wilt man don't get me wrong. But your entire plan is pretty much based on him and it shows that overall my guys are doing pretty great. And I understand completely. There is no other solution for your team to expect Wilt to dominate enough to cover all other spots.

Out of seven games, I would objectively say that my setup would win in 6 games.

My opinion though. Might be wrong. But I doubt it. -barkley.
 
addictionary said:
I love Wilt man don't get me wrong. But your entire plan is pretty much based on him and it shows that overall my guys are doing pretty great. And I understand completely. There is no other solution for your team to expect Wilt to dominate enough to cover all other spots.

Out of seven games, I would objectively say that my setup would win in 6 games.

My opinion though. Might be wrong. But I doubt it. -barkley.
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Putting up numbers like 50/25 he's worth two dominant #1 option all time greats. Most dominant to ever play the game, and Stockton is the greatest playmaker to play the game at pg, could dominate the game without ever shooting the ball. Why wouldn't I center my team around a two man game which probably turns Stockton, Allen, Drazen, and Price into 45-50% 3pt shooters. My players fit like a glove while There'd be a bit of an internal struggle between AI and LBJ. There's no doubt AI takes away some of LBJ's effectiveness.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Putting up numbers like 50/25 he's worth two dominant #1 option all time greats. Most dominant to ever play the game, and Stockton is the greatest playmaker to play the game at pg, could dominate the game without ever shooting the ball. Why wouldn't I center my team around a two man game which probably turns Stockton, Allen, Drazen, and Price into 45-50% 3pt shooters. My players fit like a glove while There'd be a bit of an internal struggle between AI and LBJ. There's no doubt AI takes away some of LBJ's effectiveness.
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If they have Sloan or Pop or Me, they will learn to work togeher or I'll kick their ***.
 
Wilt is the second best player of all-time in my opinion and has a decent argument to be #1. The season where he averaged 50 and 25 is incredible. Keeping in mind that he was double or triple teamed most of the game. He was hard fouled all game. If Wilt played in todays rules he would dominate. Most of the fouls on Wilt in that season would be flagrant fouls today. He only missed 8 minutes that entire season. He had no talent around him and still won a championship by himself. Wilt had good range shooting as well. People claim to have watched him hit tons of half court shots in a row during warmups. There is the clip of him hitting three point hook shot from the side like 5 times in a row. Oh and the defense of Wilt is like a stronger, more athletic, better hands Gobert. No points are getting scored in the paint with him. Then you add in Stockton who is the third best player in this matchup feeding him the ball in the right place and you have a great combo. The pick and roll with those two would be scary. I like the spacing added by the wings. I did think with Wilt falling to the second round you would put a little better team around him but this is the better team. Looking at the draft there was some really good players on the board to fill out an elite roster. I think both the Stockton pick and the Ray Allen picks were reaches. I think you had a good chance to put together the best team but didnt. But this is the better team in this matchup. I would also start Paul George over Petrovic. He was a great shooter but George is a better all around player and still a good shooter. George is a much better defender and would be much better matchup against Lebron. George played him pretty well in the playoffs before the injury. Petrovic never shot well in his limited playoff experience either. His best playoffs he shot .333 from 3. I think you would get more votes with George in the starting lineup.
 
Broncster said:
Wilt is the second best player of all-time in my opinion and has a decent argument to be #1. The season where he averaged 50 and 25 is incredible. Keeping in mind that he was double or triple teamed most of the game. He was hard fouled all game. If Wilt played in todays rules he would dominate. Most of the fouls on Wilt in that season would be flagrant fouls today. He only missed 8 minutes that entire season. He had no talent around him and still won a championship by himself. Wilt had good range shooting as well. People claim to have watched him hit tons of half court shots in a row during warmups. There is the clip of him hitting three point hook shot from the side like 5 times in a row. Oh and the defense of Wilt is like a stronger, more athletic, better hands Gobert. No points are getting scored in the paint with him. Then you add in Stockton who is the third best player in this matchup feeding him the ball in the right place and you have a great combo. The pick and roll with those two would be scary. I like the spacing added by the wings. I did think with Wilt falling to the second round you would put a little better team around him but this is the better team. Looking at the draft there was some really good players on the board to fill out an elite roster. I think both the Stockton pick and the Ray Allen picks were reaches. I think you had a good chance to put together the best team but didnt. But this is the better team in this matchup. I would also start Paul George over Petrovic. He was a great shooter but George is a better all around player and still a good shooter. George is a much better defender and would be much better matchup against Lebron. George played him pretty well in the playoffs before the injury. Petrovic never shot well in his limited playoff experience either. His best playoffs he shot .333 from 3. I think you would get more votes with George in the starting lineup.
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I here what your saying, but I wanted to build a team that reflects me. I really wanted Ray, and felt I would miss him drafting with the last pick of the third round, and I salivated at putting Stockton with Wilt, and wanted PG to lead my bench as a 6th man.

To show how crazy skilled Wilt was he played for the Harlem globetrotters
 
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