I'm sorry, sincerely, for creating a new thread for this...

[Dr. Jones]

but I'm not sure within which existing thread it best fits..

Other than for very short stints I have always lived in America.
I do not deny there are racial inequalities and that, though much better than in the past, racism still permeates our society.

In America, I understand the basic stereotypes that perpetuate the racism.
Meaning, I understand how a black may stereotype a white, a white a black, Mexicans, American Indians, Muslims, etc.

I understand all from an American perspective.

What I would sincerely like to understand is the stereotyping of Western European Anglos against North Africans or let's just say Arabs. I understand there is a similar feeling of inequality between those two ^ as there is the black and white issue in America.

Is there anyone here that feels qualified to answer this?

 

[Stoked]

I'd look for some European exposed posters like [MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1878]MVP[/MENTION] tbh. They'd have the best insight I'd think.

 

[Siro]

but I'm not sure within which existing thread it best fits..

Other than for very short stints I have always lived in America.
I do not deny there are racial inequalities and that, though much better than in the past, racism still permeates our society.

In America, I understand the basic stereotypes that perpetuate the racism.
Meaning, I understand how a black may stereotype a white, a white a black, Mexicans, American Indians, Muslims, etc.

I understand all from an American perspective.

What I would sincerely like to understand is the stereotyping of Western European Anglos against North Africans or let's just say Arabs. I understand there is a similar feeling of inequality between those two ^ as there is the black and white issue in America.

Is there anyone here that feels qualified to answer this?

Anglos specifically or Western European whites in general? Racism in Europe is at least as bad as it is in the US, if not worse. European and American cultures are actually very similar, in comparison to non-Westerner cultures, and the stereotypes that exist in both places are comparable. Middle Easterners are often seen as backward, incompatible with European ideals, violent criminals and rapists who target white women, etc. Blacks in Europe face a lot of racism too.

 

[addictionary]

North Africans or let's just say Arabs

They're not the same bro.

For your question I wish we had an English human being in here to talk with accent and use the word bloody ten thousand times a day because no one in the world understands how a British person perceives the world.

 

[franklin]

but I'm not sure within which existing thread it best fits..

Other than for very short stints I have always lived in America.
I do not deny there are racial inequalities and that, though much better than in the past, racism still permeates our society.

In America, I understand the basic stereotypes that perpetuate the racism.
Meaning, I understand how a black may stereotype a white, a white a black, Mexicans, American Indians, Muslims, etc.

I understand all from an American perspective.

What I would sincerely like to understand is the stereotyping of Western European Anglos against North Africans or let's just say Arabs. I understand there is a similar feeling of inequality between those two ^ as there is the black and white issue in America.

Is there anyone here that feels qualified to answer this?

The underlying component to almost every societal fear is that they erode the sense of security that most of us long for.

--GenericAF

 

[franklin]

They're not the same bro.

For your question I wish we had an English human being in here to talk with accent and use the word bloody ten thousand times a day because no one in the world understands how a British person perceives the world.

LMAO ain't that the truth. I mentioned something about comedy to a Brit and he responded "THere is no comedy except British comedy".

They remind me of New Yorkers in a sense tho. The type that have seen it all, don't put up with ********, and only care for results.

 

[addictionary]

So cocky that they Would not pass the censorship test of Jazzfanz tbh.

 

[Siro]

North Africans are Arabs. As in, they are part of the Arab League, and they speak Arabic.

 

[addictionary]

North Africans are Arabs. As in, they are part of the Arab League, and they speak Arabic.

But I thought they are mixed ethnically.

 

[addictionary]

Don't Arabs live in the Arabia? And it is a part of Asia.

 

[addictionary]

Maybe I am confusing them with Spanish Arabs.

 

[Siro]

If you're using the ethnic definition for Arab, then yes. Only some people living in Arabia are ethnic Arabs. So 95% of people living in the Arab world would not meet that definition. But nobody outside of academia uses that definition. Using that definition, I'm not Arab. Neither are the Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Tunisians, Moroccans, Algerians, Sudanese, Libyans, or the Lebanese.

 

[Dr. Jones]

[MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION]

Good call, I meant Western European whites in general.
And thanks for your reply.

 

[JazzGal]

I lived for a year or so in England in the early 80's. I was amazed at how much more blacks were incorporated into society than back at home. I didn't see the same type of racism. No idea how it is now.

 

[MVP]

I could only comment on Eastern Europeans. Most of them are even worse then Americans or English when it comes to stereotyping blacks, asians, muslims, latinos, etc. When you look at history there is quite a few reasons why they are resisting multiculturalism so much. Most of these little nations where conquered and occupied for long periods of time by some bigger and stronger neighbours and after finally gaining independence they are very hesitant to open up and accept it. Fear of losing national identity is very strong there.

 

[Jamezz]

Maybe I am confusing them with Spanish Arabs.

The "Spanish Arabs" are more commonly known there as moors, and most of them come from Morocco and Algeria. And to be honest there's never been a real integration with the native Spanish population. Mainly for historical reasons and most recently because of the Western Sahara situation, the Spanish cities of Ceuta and Melilla in northern Morocco and the Perejil Island incident.

 

[NAOS]

I lived for a year or so in England in the early 80's. I was amazed at how much more blacks were incorporated into society than back at home. I didn't see the same type of racism. No idea how it is now.

very vague post. So general I almost laughed. Then I totally did when ONE LOVE 'liked' it. Where in England? How old were you? What kind of work and social life were you having?

I have many black Trinidadian friends who have spend a lot of time in the US and in England and not one has said anything about England being easier.

 

[NAOS]

and there is a vast ****ing difference between places like London and Liverpool, for example.

 

[Dr. Jones]

and there is a vast ****ing difference between places like London and Liverpool, for example.

I can't even imagine swimming in a Liverpool.

 

[BTP]

In Germany the majority of "foreigners" are of Turkish descent. General stereotyping I notice over here is that ppl with southern/Mediterranean look/"brown" skin color are being thrown together in a pot and called 'Kanake' over here.
The word was originally used to describe seamen of Oceanic/Polynesian origin with a strong work ethic but has developed into an insult for ppl I described above mostly in their teens and 20s that present themselves in stereotypical fashion.
Hanging out exclusively with other minorities, annoying/provocative behavior in public, speaking the languages of their parents in public to each others if possible - Though a lot of young ppl living here for multiple generations haven't learnt Turkish or other first languages of their parent(s).
Copying the appearance of artists performing "German gangster/minority rap" and a strong desire to display masculinity/aggressive body language.

That would be stereotypical descriptions how a lot of whites in Germany perceive ppl with brown skin color.
The German-Turkish connection goes back to the world wars(not exactly sure how it was in WW1, but definitely WW2 allies)
Most cities have certain areas that have become quasi-ghettos inhabited by ppl with migration background.
Majority of those situations is focused in West Germany and Berlin as the old GDR areas offer less employment opportunities and are less accepting as most of the German based neo-Nazis are living there and scared off migrants mostly on top off the high unemployment rates and lack of opportunities.

For most other countries in Western Europe migration was a result of colonialization.
In England the connection to India and Pakistan is very visible.
In France migration happened mostly from their colonies in North Africa and West Africa. They share that connection with Belgium as the Southern part of it speaks French, while the Northern part is closer to the Netherlands and speaks Flemish(Basically a variation of Dutch).
Not exactly sure how it's in Italy and Spain.