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The Independence War of Turkish Republic that took place between 1919-1922 is a rebellion against the Ottoman dictator and invadors like Greeks, English, French, Italian. It was led by Atatürk and he made forces of an entire nation join together to defend their coutry against invadors.

The changes made after 1922-1923 are revolutions.

And revolution never ended. We can also say that revolution never ends.

Actually right now the government in Turkey has been performing what we call a COUNTER-REVOLUTION. They have been so successful that they have changed the chemistry and structure of an entire nation, affecting directly a good 30-40 % of it.

The military was against these kinds of backwards minded governments through out history, Because they followed Atatürk's values of revolution, and these backwards governments hated Atatürk. Because Atatürk saw their religious organizations as a threat and banned them before.

Atatürk wanted a life that had no religious discrimination and no effect of religion onto politics, government, science, social law etc.
 
So... as a Turkish, would you have preferred the coup to have been successful or are you happier now that Erdogan has the country back?
I would support any uprise against Erdogan because he is running towards a dictatorship and will in the end try to oppress our living spaces. Us: who do not vote him.

I felt frightened when I have heard the announcement of coup on the TV. Because coup means "no more individual rights until we allow you to"

So my answer is I will never choose one of the two worsts and keep trying to fight ignorance.
 
Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya... The list goes on and on...

I honestly can't think of a single case where a coup actually brought on positive results.

Can anyone point to where a coup triggered the desired result? I can't.
The 1960 coup in Turkey was a forward one against a party that led the country backwards.

It was made by a cooperation of some high rank soldiers and scholars.

It was the only coup in Turkey that had the potential to move the country forward.
 
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I should add that there was a feeling of disappointment too after he coup failed.

"Erdogan dodged another one" like feeling.

Mixed feelings.

But in the end you can also see that the whole thing can possibly be a theater for Erdogan to gain his dictatorship by changing regime.

You already see every man from his government saying "nothing will be the same" as they call for extraordinary actions.

I believe worse is yet to unfold in the history of Turkish Republic.

Example: Erdogan supporters went to the Bosphorus Bridge to stop the tanks. The soldiers had NO "Shoot first" order so they remained inactive, just occupying the bridge.

The insane people of Erdogan supporters actually CUT THE THROATS OF SOLDIERS just like RADICAL ISLAMIST TERRORISTS.

This is who supports Erdogan. Now more clear who these people are?

They need to be gone one way or another.

I would not be surprised if there were ISIS members that supported him in this.
 
I wouldn't bear to see it. That video was one of the many reasons I am so conflicted about this issue.

I am sure not one of the people who were defending "democrasy" was a non-Erdoğan supporter. I walked at least 30 minutes through and I heard, "Damn Israel", religous chants, swears and whatevers. Thrywere embodiment of stupidity, ignorance and violence. And they were out because Erdoğan ordered them to the streets and mosques sang Ezan called people out to the streets all night long.
 
So Erdogan had like 50% of votes in the last election, if I'm not mistaken. Then there's another 10% of the even more right wing MHP.
Are there manipulations in the vote other than the "Erdogan controls the media" and has more influence on public opinion? I'm talking manipulating the actual count.
If the vote was fair and square what are actual reasons that Turkey is slowly becoming more religious and tolerates the president's desire to stop secularism?

It'll be very interesting to see how Erdogan will prosecute his own supporters who committed crimes when they went to stop the coup.
 
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I should add that there was a feeling of disappointment too after he coup failed.

"Erdogan dodged another one" like feeling.

Mixed feelings.

But in the end you can also see that the whole thing can possibly be a theater for Erdogan to gain his dictatorship by changing regime.

You already see every man from his government saying "nothing will be the same" as they call for extraordinary actions.

I believe worse is yet to unfold in the history of Turkish Republic.

Example: Erdogan supporters went to the Bosphorus Bridge to stop the tanks. The soldiers had NO "Shoot first" order so they remained inactive, just occupying the bridge.

The insane people of Erdogan supporters actually CUT THE THROATS OF SOLDIERS just like RADICAL ISLAMIST TERRORISTS.

This is who supports Erdogan. Now more clear who these people are?

They need to be gone one way or another.

I would not be surprised if there were ISIS members that supported him in this.

So, the 50% that voted Erdogan in in the last election, who are they? Are they mostly islamic people who wants to keep Turkey an islamic state rather than moving to a more secular one? Are these people more impoverished compared to the other 50% that voted against him? Are they more less educated? Do they live in a particular area in Turkey, or are they just everyday people walking the street mixed with non-Erdogan supporters?
 
So, the 50% that voted Erdogan in in the last election, who are they? Are they mostly islamic people who wants to keep Turkey an islamic state rather than moving to a more secular one? Are these people more impoverished compared to the other 50% that voted against him? Are they more less educated? Do they live in a particular area in Turkey, or are they just everyday people walking the street mixed with non-Erdogan supporters?

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above: CHP voting: The darker the red the more ppl voted


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above: AKP voting

You can see rural areas in the middle of the country is where Erdogan's support is.
Coastal area(many tourists) and Istanbul is where the opposition is more popular.
 
So Erdogan had like 50% of votes in the last election, if I'm not mistaken. Then there's another 10% of the even more right wing MHP.
Are there manipulations in the vote other than the "Erdogan controls the media" and has more influence on public opinion? I'm talking manipulating the actual count.
If the vote was fair and square what are actual reasons that Turkey is slowly becoming more religious and tolerates the president's desire to stop secularism?

It'll be very interesting to see how Erdogan will prosecute his own supporters who committed crimes when they went to stop the coup.
He will not prosecute. They will get away with it.

The situation in Turkey is utter insanity. A non stoppable trailblazer of ignorance+opportunism+religious exploitation that cannot stand the existence of anything that is not them and will try to crush anything that is not them.

Just like Nazis.

They have not seen the last of the real owners of this country.
 
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above: CHP voting: The darker the red the more ppl voted


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above: AKP voting

You can see rural areas in the middle of the country is where Erdogan's support is.
Coastal area(many tourists) and Istanbul is where the opposition is more popular.
Tourist number is not an effect. The West Side hate him.
 
Tourist number is not an effect. The West Side hate him.

I meant the results of tourism providing more money/education/infrastructure in that area(obviously not solely - was more of a superficial blanket statement for illustration purposes). Also the sea is where the harbors are located, trade takes place and transportation has huge anchors.
 
I meant the results of tourism providing more money/education/infrastructure in that area(obviously not solely - was more of a superficial blanket statement for illustration purposes). Also the sea is where the harbors are located, trade takes place and transportation has huge anchors.
You know if the country divided into federations tomorrow, the European Union would just go "finally You've ditched the part we do not like. Come join us for you are true European people in Essence!" :D
 
You know if the country divided into federations tomorrow, the European Union would just go "finally You've ditched the part we do not like. Come join us for you are true European people in Essence!" :D

I don't think the EU has a problem with then "parts they don't like". I think the EU understands why things are the way they are(At least I hope they have that much analytical capability)
I think the problem is the current government's sentiment to slowly steer towards religious principles, restrictions in freedom of speech and willingness to change the constitution for personal gain.
 
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Turkey’s Coup That Wasn’t
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JULY 16, 2016
Roger Cohen
Roger Cohen
As coups go, the Turkish effort was a study in ineptitude: No serious attempt to capture or muzzle the existing political leadership, no leader ready to step in, no communication strategy (or even awareness of social media), no ability to mobilize a critical mass within either the armed forces or society. In their place a platoon of hapless soldiers on a bridge over the Bosporus in Istanbul and the apparently uncoordinated targeting of a few government buildings in Ankara.

It was enough for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaking on his cellphone’s FaceTime app, to call supporters into the streets for the insurrection to fold. That Erdogan will no doubt be the chief beneficiary of this turmoil, using it to further his push for an autocratic Islamist Turkey, does not mean that he staged it. The Turkish army remains isolated from society. It is entirely plausible that a coterie of officers believed a polarized and disgruntled society would rise up once given a cue. If so, they were wrong – and the error has cost more than 260 lives.

But in Erdogan’s Turkey, mystery and instability have become the coin of the realm. It is no wonder that conspiracy theories abound. Since an electoral setback in June 2015, the president has overseen a Turkey that is ever more violent. This dangerous lurch has enabled him to bounce back in a second election in November and portray himself as the anointed one averting mayhem. His attempt to blame, without any evidence, the attempted coup on Fethullah Gulen, a Muslim cleric and erstwhile ally living in Pennsylvania, forms part of a pattern of murkiness and intrigue.

Through Erdogan’s fog this much seems clear: More than 35 years after the last coup, and almost two decades after the 1997 military intervention, Turks do not want a return to the seesawing military and civilian rule that characterized the country between 1960 and 1980. On the contrary, they are attached to their democratic institutions and the constitutional order. The army, a pillar of Kemal Atatürk’s secular order, is weaker. Every major political party condemned the attempted coup. Whatever their growing anger against the president, Turks do not want to go backward.

A successful coup would have been a disaster. Erdogan has massive support in the Anatolian heartland, particularly among religious conservatives. Mosques all over the country were lit through the night as imams echoed the president’s call for people to pour into the street. There can be little doubt that any military-controlled administration would have faced a Syria-like insurgency of Islamists and others. The blow to what is left in the Middle East of democratic institutions and the rule of law would have been devastating.


No wonder President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry “agreed that all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected Government of Turkey, show restraint, and avoid any violence of bloodshed.”

The problem is that “restraint” is not part of Erdogan’s vocabulary. As Philip Gordon, a former Special Assistant to Obama on the Middle East, told me: “Rather than use this as an opportunity to heal divisions, Erdogan may well do the opposite: go after adversaries, limit press and other freedoms further, and accumulate even more power.” Within hours, more than 2,800 military personnel had been detained and 2,745 judges removed from duty.

A prolonged crackdown on so-called “Gulenists,” whoever Erdogan deems them to be, and the Kemalist “deep state” (supporters of the old secular order) is likely. An already divided society will grow more fissured. Secular Turkey will not quickly forget the cries of “Allahu akbar” echoing last night from some mosques and from crowds in the streets.

A rapid push by Erdogan to reform the constitution through a referendum and create a presidency with sweeping executive powers is possible. He now has a case to say only such powers will keep enemies at bay.

“It may well be that democracy has triumphed in Turkey only to be strangled at a slower pace,” Jonathan Eyal, the international director at Britain’s Royal United Services Institute, told me. There can be little doubt the expressions of support for Erdogan from western capitals came through gritted teeth.

For the Obama administration, the dilemmas of the Middle East could scarcely have been more vividly illustrated. When an Egyptian general, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, led a coup three years ago against the democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi, Obama did not support the democratic government, as he has now in Turkey. The administration even avoided use of the word “coup” in Egypt. In effect, the president sided with the generals in the name of order.


True, Morsi was deeply unpopular. The Egyptian coup had massive support. It was a fait accompli by the time Obama weighed in. Still, principles in the Middle East are worth little. Policy often amounts to choosing the least bad option.

In Turkey, the least bad – Erdogan’s survival – has prevailed. That does not mean much worse will not follow. A failed coup does not mean democracy is the winner. In fact, the worst of this prickly autocrat may now be unleashed upon Turkey, with America and its allies able to do little about it.

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