Pleiss Traded to Philly!!!

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not that I have any desire to rehash Kanter, but if there are two teams willing to give a player a max contract, I'd suspect that player's value on the market may be at least a tier above packing peanuts.

If we called OKC and offered Tibor for Kanter (ignore CBA) my guess is they'd do it.

I think Porty trolled OKC... Would anyone doubt they would do that... they are the worst.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Now that Pleiss is gone, who has the most unreal shooting mechanics on the team?

Withey's 15 footer is smoove.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I will miss the few times Tibor would check into the game and I would pause the TV to tell whoever I was watching with that in the next 30 seconds that big white guy will set an obviously illegal screen, get called for the foul, and then look totally confused and sad. Every. Time.

 

[stitches]

 

[Watcher]

Now that Pleiss is gone, who has the most unreal shooting mechanics on the team?

Rudy.

 

[infection]

Would you have given him the max from Utah's perspective?

No. But I wouldn't have dealt him for a heap of trash, either, and then gone on to talk about the "haul" we got for him. Most importantly would be to send him a message to STFU and learn his place. Granted there was positive chemistry changes when it happened, but I didn't care for the precedent of accommodating his wishes on demand. Wouldn't have made it comfortable for him and just let his contract expire and walk if there wasn't anything better on the table.

If we called OKC and offered Tibor for Kanter (ignore CBA) my guess is they'd do it.

I think Porty trolled OKC... Would anyone doubt they would do that... they are the worst.

It doesn't matter what they'd do now. It only matters what anyone would have done then.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Withey's 15 footer is smoove.

But are the mechanics unreal?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

God damn... they didn't waste time.

I wish they would thank him for his service in there... come on have some fun with it.

 

[infection]

That almost reads like an obituary.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Rudy.

Got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBEOmavjmM

 

[stitches]

No. But I wouldn't have dealt him for a heap of trash, either, and then gone on to talk about the "haul" we got for him. Most importantly would be to send him a message to STFU and learn his place. Granted there was positive chemistry changes when it happened, but I didn't care for the precedent of accommodating his wishes on demand. Wouldn't have made it comfortable for him and just let his contract expire and walk if there wasn't anything better on the table.



It doesn't matter what they'd do now. It only matters what anyone would have done then.

So you are mad that we got something for him and would have preferred we "send a message" and let him walk for nothing?

I'm sorry but I don't get it. To me there are really two cases - you decide you want to keep him and give him the max in the summer and try to appease him in the process or you get the best offer you can get for him. Letting him walk to me was not an option(well, it was an option but a HORRIBLE one).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

No. But I wouldn't have dealt him for a heap of trash, either, and then gone on to talk about the "haul" we got for him. Most importantly would be to send him a message to STFU and learn his place. Granted there was positive chemistry changes when it happened, but I didn't care for the precedent of accommodating his wishes on demand. Wouldn't have made it comfortable for him and just let his contract expire and walk if there wasn't anything better on the table.



It doesn't matter what they'd do now. It only matters what anyone would have done then.

Not really, because we are all judging the trade now because Tibor did nothing... now.

I would love to have gotten more for Kanter... If we could have gotten Jackson then it was a mistake, but we still have an okay shot at a first rounder or two seconds coming. It's worth more than the life lessons we would have taught him by benching him... which also would have had a black cloud hanging over the team.

If you want to argue a Kanter trade... the time to do it was a year before we actually did.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

But are the mechanics unreal?

No... they are completely real... ****... can we get a redo.

 

[infection]

So you are mad that we got something for him and would have preferred we "send a message" and let him walk?

That's what I would have done, correct. We didn't exactly get anything for Kanter. If you had a car that's worth $5k, would you rather give it away to charity or trade it for a box of yesterday's hot dogs from 711? From a purely economical point of view the latter obviously wins out, but we're not really looking at it in isolation.

 

[Watcher]

We could always go back to the days when the Jazz didn't do any deals at all.

I'd much rather have a trade or two not really work out but a couple trades do and overall the team is improving.

 

[infection]

Not really, because we are all judging the trade now because Tibor did nothing... now.

I would love to have gotten more for Kanter... If we could have gotten Jackson then it was a mistake, but we still have an okay shot at a first rounder or two seconds coming. It's worth more than the life lessons we would have taught him by benching him... which also would have had a black cloud hanging over the team.

If you want to argue a Kanter trade... the time to do it was a year before we actually did.

Tibor was never a prospect. Even if his Europe numbers translated to the NBA they'd be atrocious. The only way we say we have a hindsight advantage is if we drank the Tibor KoolAid (of which there really wasn't all that much).

 

[NAOS]

Ummm, gais?

Gobert extension incoming.

cap fail

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Again... I'm just happy we are saying ya know... Tibor ain't working, let's move on rather than fake it to save face on a deal we made two years ago.

Guis... they ain't all winners.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tibor was never a prospect. Even if his Europe numbers translated to the NBA they'd be atrocious. The only way we say we have a hindsight advantage is if we drank the Tibor KoolAid (of which there really wasn't all that much).

He was picked with a very high second round pick... so by the logic that two teams offered Kanter a deal he was a prospect at one time.

His Euro numbers were meh... I never expected him to be more than a backup if anything. The mistake we made was giving him so much money (I'm guessing that's what it took to bring him over though).

The pick was the highest value asset we got in that trade... yesterday, today, and forever.

 

[BYE]

Here are my calculations:

After this deal (and assuming Marshall gets waived before his guarantee date) it would seem we are at 79M guaranteed. I assume Chris Johnson(1m unguaranteed) gets waived and Withey(1m unguaranteed) stays. So we are back at 80M. This gives us about 14M.

Favors' max is at about 21.5M for the first year. So we can give him extra 10.5, and about 3.5 are left for Hill. I'm not sure that would work, he's not signing long term contract for a 3.5M bump this year(I think he would need more). What exceptions do we have and can we use them for players already on contract? We have the room (MLE) exception at about 2.8M. Can it be used on Ingles+Bolomboy 's contracts? The amount is about the same as their salaries combined(2.75M>). I'm not CBA expert so if somebody knows, please elucidate us.

Either way - to me it seems like if they wanted to re-do Favors' contract they could have done it without giving up assets in order to dump Pleiss. This leads me to believe that they are trying to redo BOTH Favors and Hill.

Can't rep you, which is weird, since I haven't done that in about two years when I deactivated my account. You've always been my favorite poster on here, and I've always appreciated your insight and the time you take to improve this forum. I little tear drops out of my eye... Thanks though, really!