Florida Airport Shooting - 5 Dead 13 hurt

[DutchJazzer]

and, this is islamic terrorism.
the shooter went by the name Aashiq Hammad for 3 years on the web!


edit: the evidence is piling up, that this is another islamic attack. wille we still ban guns? will a psychologist deny a islamist a gun?

 

[bigb]

Then I guess it comes down to a cost/benefit type scenario right?


Do we want to prevent these types of incidents from happening for the vast majority of people or satisfy a small group of people needing precise & specialised weapon/ammunition reloading?

That's one way of looking at it.


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[DutchJazzer]

professional psychologist duh..

Gun was given back to Florida shooting suspect last month

Police in Alaska took a handgun from the man accused of killing five people at Fort Lauderdale's airport on Friday, but they returned it to him last month after a medical evaluation found he was not mentally ill, authorities said on Saturday.

Esteban Santiago, a 26-year-old Iraq war veteran, had a history of acting erratically and investigators are probing whether mental illness played a role in the latest U.S. mass shooting. According to court papers, he told agents he planned the attack and bought a one-way ticket to Florida.

Santiago was charged on Saturday in federal court and could potentially face the death penalty if convicted in the case, U.S. prosecutors said.

sooo much for that

 

[Stoked]

Weird. Why is it that 90% of the time there is some connection to Islam with these terrorist attacks Or did you gloss over the word ISIS? Or are you going to try and argue that the government really did force him to watch ISIS videos? Why would he be hearing voices telling him to join ISIS? What is ISIS? Do you even know?

P.s. I find it comical that you cant control your emotions.

What, in America? Sorry but no. I can only think of 4. Boston Marathon, 9/11, San bernadino and Ft Hood.

I find it immensely amusing when someone tries to defend Islam/guns then turns around and goes after all islam/Guns.

 

[Gameface]

If you read the Quran, are you not part of that ideology? The Quaran has some pretty awful and scary passages in it.

There just seems to be this idea that we have to be tolerant of a book that teaches horrible things just because of the race of people who follow it, so we dont seem racist. I don't believe that has to be the case. There are plenty of people who have left Islamic religion, and are speaking out against it. But they are very few compared to the people who preach it to be the truth. Its very dangerous thing. There should be no tolerance of it. What if the KKK decided to call itself a religion. Should we then be tolerant of its views?

This story has everything to do with Islam. Its message is infecting the planet. This is a prime example of what happens when it reaches a mentally ill person. Everyone wants to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs. Well, what about brainwashing violent messages? Thats just as dangerous. If not more. Guns dont kill people. Lunatics kill people. Bad ideas create lunatics.

When someone speaks out against Islam, that doesn't necessarily mean they are speaking out against a skin color or race. There is a big distinction between the two. If some white kid from the US joins Islam and commits a terrorist attack. Islam is still to blame.

This isn't just about Islam either. Its about all religions that teach, or have taught bad things. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in or follow the bible. Its had a lot of its own horrible things come from it. But at least it made changes to itself. So there really isnt much to complain about it for the current times.

I also know that a lot of this has to do with the United States creating so much bad blood around the world. Which is why I vote against who I think is the warmonger. Trump may say alot of things that sound racist, but at least he talks about trying to reduce our involment militarily around the world. You can say that about Clinton. Maybe Trump turns out to be the same, but we dont know that yet. We knew what Hillary wanted to do. She said as much herself and so did her voting record.

Humm, a book that contains absolutely horrible things and has led to millions of deaths, murders, wars, subjugation?

 

[Gameface]

Modern Christians do not follow the word of God. If they did we would not tolerate them for a second.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Modern Christians do not follow the word of God. If they did we would not tolerate them for a second.

Plenty of people do, they are called Fundamentalist.

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[Hotdog]

Humm, a book that contains absolutely horrible things and has led to millions of deaths, murders, wars, subjugation?

Can you not read? Or do live off arguing and fighting? Why is it that you cant hear or see facts? Do you just jam lies, rhetoric and garbage straight into your face and the regurgitate it out as a steaming pile of retarded troll dung?

 

[Siro]

Can you not read? Or do live off arguing and fighting? Why is it that you cant hear or see facts? Do you just jam lies, rhetoric and garbage straight into your face and the regurgitate it out as a steaming pile of retarded troll dung?

But it's a fair answer to your question. The Bible is just as violent as the Quran. Should we be automatically hostile to Christians too? Why is Islam any different?

 

[fishonjazz]

Then I guess it comes down to a cost/benefit type scenario right?


Do we want to prevent these types of incidents from happening for the vast majority of people or satisfy a small group of people needing precise & specialised weapon/ammunition reloading?

Good post.

 

[DutchJazzer]

But it's a fair answer to your question. The Bible is just as violent as the Quran. Should we be automatically hostile to Christians too? Why is Islam any different?

nations built or founded on Christianity are peaceful. and yes usa is built on judeo christian values!
Islamist countries are HELL holes!!!!!!!!


when was the last time any christian blew himself up screaming "jesus christ is great!"

you cant really compare these 2 in this modern world. maybe 500-800 years ago different story

 

[Hotdog]

But it's a fair answer to your question. The Bible is just as violent as the Quran. Should we be automatically hostile to Christians too? Why is Islam any different?

I CLEARLY covered that in my original post.

Wtf is going on here?

 

[Hotdog]

nations built or founded on Christianity are peaceful. and yes usa is built on judeo christian values!
Islamist countries are HELL holes!!!!!!!!


when was the last time any christian blew himself up screaming "jesus christ is great!"

you cant really compare these 2 in this modern world. maybe 500-800 years ago different story

Ya, hence the reason why they are fleeing in droves to Christian value nations in order for a better life.

That is what I don't get about all of this. Everyone wants to defend Islam but ignore the fact that the people from there dont even like it. They have miserable lives because of it.

What even more retarded, these people don't want to lose their religious beliefs. They want to bring it here and show us all how cool it is. Lets us all get a taste of the **** they been eating their whole lives. No ****ing thanks. Check your garbage religion at the door please, and you are welcome in. We don't want what is happening to Europe.

Those are straight up logical facts that Gameyface la la land liver just can't comprehend.

 

[Stoked]

Many Christians consider the New Testament to have replaced the laws and rules from the Old Testament. The coming of Christ changed everything.

Just saying.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But it's a fair answer to your question. The Bible is just as violent as the Quran. Should we be automatically hostile to Christians too? Why is Islam any different?

There are more fundamentalist in Islam than in Christianity.

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[Siro]

Ya, hence the reason why they are fleeing in droves to Christian value nations in order for a better life.

That is what I don't get about all of this. Everyone wants to defend Islam but ignore the fact that the people from there dont even like it. They have miserable lives because of it.

What even more retarded, these people don't want to lose their religious beliefs. They want to bring it here and show us all how cool it is. Lets us all get a taste of the **** they been eating their whole lives. No ****ing thanks. Check your garbage religion at the door please, and you are welcome in. We don't want what is happening to Europe.

Those are straight up logical facts that Gameyface la la land liver just can't comprehend.

You're incredibly ignorant about this subject. The situation in the Muslim world is the product of historical circumstance. It hasn't always been this way, and it won't always be this way. Muslims don't dislike their religion (LOL), and the West isn't based on Christian values (it's the opposite).

 

[Siro]

There are more fundamentalist in Islam than in Christianity.

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Fundamentalism isn't one thing. The Quakers, who won't even commit violence in self-defense, are fundamentalists. More Muslims believe in a violent interpretation of their religion than Christians, but that is incidental. Interpretations of religion is a product of culture, and not the other way around. The Quran could be all about puppies and rainbows, and historical circumstances can produce a culture that creates those who believe non-rainbowists should all be murdered.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fundamentalism isn't one thing. The Quakers, who won't even commit violence in self-defense, are fundamentalists. More Muslims believe in a violent interpretation of their religion than Christians, but that is incidental. Interpretations of religion is a product of culture, and not the other way around. The Quran could be all about puppies and rainbows, and historical circumstances can produce a culture that creates those who believe non-rainbowists should all be murdered.

Are Quakers considered Fundamentalist?

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[Siro]

Are Quakers considered Fundamentalist?

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Fundamentalism means strict adherence to an interpretation of an ideology as the only acceptable, and correct, one. Quakers are Biblical literalists, and are thus fundamentalists. Being a fundamentalist doesn't mean you're violent. Just inflexible.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fundamentalism means strict adherence to an interpretation of an ideology as the only acceptable, and correct, one. Quakers are Biblical literalists, and are thus fundamentalists. Being a fundamentalist doesn't mean you're violent. Just inflexible.

But if part of the text you are adhering to calls for violence and you are strictly opposed to violence, then you aren't a fundamentalist, right?



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