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Wilson Chandler?

King Cy said:
He has shot above his career average for the past 3 years, so it's safe to say he has become a better shooter as he has gotten older.

He has a much quicker release than Ingles and he has the athletic ability to give us an edge as a small ball 4. Ingles playing the 4 is alright, but the advantage he gives us is kind of negated by the fact he shoots it slowly (though it has seemed quicker in preseason) and is slow.

I dont know enough to say for certain, but I assume he is a much better defender than Ingles too. *If he was a good defender this would make me even more excited*

Overall I just feel like its a trade that would help take us to the next level. Lyles is cool, but his upside is the backup to Favors who can space the floor a bit (which is a work in progress on being able to shoot).
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I pretty much agree with you. I do like Wilson Chandler. I think Ingles would/ will do a solid job defending as a small ball 4 though. I remember watching him guard Julius Randle in the preseason, and he held his ground better than most of the other Jazz did that one game where Randle got hot. Randle tried to bull through him, and I was suprised to see Ingles force him to force up an ugly shot. Randle didn't try that again on Ingles.

I know Ingles has an obvious ceiling because of his athletic ability, but his decent 3 pt shooting and especially his willingness not only to pass but to get rid of it quickly really help this team. I remember Zach Lowe talked a lot about this in his podcast where they talked about the Jazz for a while. He talked about how Ingles was one of the best swing passers (spurs-type passing) in the league, and he helped the Jazz offense run. We already have lots of guys who are mostly 1 on 1 scorers like you've talked about (Hood, Burks and Burke to an extent). I know I'm digging maybe a little too much into the small details, but I think Ingles helps this team run both with his smarts offensively and his toughness and effort defensively.

I agree though, I would like Chandler at the right price. I would like him more in the sense that he'd take minutes from Booker. I know Book is a fan favorite, but the advanced stats don't lie-- he's inneficient, not a great defender, and inconsistent offensively.
 
theMTN said:
I pretty much agree with you. I do like Wilson Chandler. I think Ingles would/ will do a solid job defending as a small ball 4 though. I remember watching him guard Julius Randle in the preseason, and he held his ground better than most of the other Jazz did that one game where Randle got hot. Randle tried to bull through him, and I was suprised to see Ingles force him to force up an ugly shot. Randle didn't try that again on Ingles.

I know Ingles has an obvious ceiling because of his athletic ability, but his decent 3 pt shooting and especially his willingness not only to pass but to get rid of it quickly really help this team. I remember Zach Lowe talked a lot about this in his podcast where they talked about the Jazz for a while. He talked about how Ingles was one of the best swing passers (spurs-type passing) in the league, and he helped the Jazz offense run. We already have lots of guys who are mostly 1 on 1 scorers like you've talked about (Hood, Burks and Burke to an extent). I know I'm digging maybe a little too much into the small details, but I think Ingles helps this team run both with his smarts offensively and his toughness and effort defensively.

I agree though, I would like Chandler at the right price. I would like him more in the sense that he'd take minutes from Booker. I know Book is a fan favorite, but the advanced stats don't lie-- he's inneficient, not a great defender, and inconsistent offensively.
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Yeah, Booker just isnt consistent enough like you said. He doesn't really add any kind of tangible dimension to our team other than exciting plays and toughness. I was really hoping he would come out this year as a more willing and ready 3pt shooter, but it seems like he is basically going to be the same as he was last year.
 
Let's not get carried away. No need to trade a rookie in the lotto and a first round pick. Wow just wow!! A first should be good for Chandler If not u hang up the phone. I like Chandler and all but that's too steep a price for a third wing who gets backup 4 minutes.
 
NAOS said:
Why Lyles instead of Booker?
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Because you could turn a third string PF that will need a LOT of development into something we need more. On the last year of his contract, Booker has no value with the league wide salary cap situation.
 
Bump... Nice work by JustTheTip above.
 
So a couple years ago coming off of surgery (but was healthy at the time) Cy would send a first and Lyles for him... now he's healthy and he'd do next to nothing for us.

Also figure in how much better his cap number is... but nah he'd never sniff the court if Diaw was still here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So a couple years ago coming off of surgery (but was healthy at the time) Cy would send a first and Lyles for him... now he's healthy and he'd do next to nothing for us.

Also figure in how much better his cap number is... but nah he'd never sniff the court if Diaw was still here.
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The entire landscape of the team has changed. We are locked into the playoffs unless we have a catastrophic meltdown. Chandler is not needed for us to take the next step. We are better with Diaw and Favors while developing Lyles. Also, like I said, it would be for him to be backup, not a starter. He wants out of his situation because he is upset he is coming off the bench.
 
And IDK if you have watched the Warriors this year, but there is no way in hell we are beating them no matter who we add this year. We could add Lebron James and we still might be an underdog to them. It's better to just use this year to get our playoff experience in, hopefully win a series or two (if we manage to avoid GSW in the 2nd round) and have some nice feels. Hopefully next year the Warriors are forced to lose someone and they become beatable again.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And IDK if you have watched the Warriors this year, but there is no way in hell we are beating them no matter who we add this year. We could add Lebron James and we still might be an underdog to them. It's better to just use this year to get our playoff experience in, hopefully win a series or two (if we manage to avoid GSW in the 2nd round) and have some nice feels. Hopefully next year the Warriors are forced to lose someone and they become beatable again.
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You are right... unless its the final piece to the championship why bother.

Everyone is in the same damn boat... do your best hope for injuries... sucks but that's where we are... doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve the roster.
 
kabenac said:
I don't know why so many people are all about Wilson Chandler.
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Id like him as a backup, but he wants to be traded so he can start somewhere so he can raise his value for his last contract.

I'd bust a nut for Gallinari though.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And IDK if you have watched the Warriors this year, but there is no way in hell we are beating them no matter who we add this year. We could add Lebron James and we still might be an underdog to them. It's better to just use this year to get our playoff experience in, hopefully win a series or two (if we manage to avoid GSW in the 2nd round) and have some nice feels. Hopefully next year the Warriors are forced to lose someone and they become beatable again.
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Do you think anyone has a shot at them in the west?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Id like him as a backup, but he wants to be traded so he can start somewhere so he can raise his value for his last contract.

I'd bust a nut for Gallinari though.
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With Jokic out Gallinari is going to be even more important to them with their playoff push. Would be nice, though.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The entire landscape of the team has changed. We are locked into the playoffs unless we have a catastrophic meltdown. Chandler is not needed for us to take the next step. We are better with Diaw and Favors while developing Lyles. Also, like I said, it would be for him to be backup, not a starter. He wants out of his situation because he is upset he is coming off the bench.
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My gut tells me that Favors has a maximum of 15 good games left this season, playoffs included. And that our resulting weakness at PF may prevent us from winning a single playoff series. Then, after something like that, we gotta try to sign Hay and Hill.

If I were running the team and trying to push this squad as far as it can go, then I'm definitely interested in Chandler. Shut Favors down for 15ish games, and then bring him along slowly off the bench so that he can (re)peak just before the playoffs. If that happens, then you move Chandler to the bench and deal with any personality-driven consequences of that decision. But that might not happen at all. Lyles is the primary back up at PF and Diaw moves to back-up C.

Chandler's contract is pretty good. He'd be pretty easy to trade next year, if necessary.
 
NAOS said:
My gut tells me that Favors has a maximum of 15 good games left this season, playoffs included. And that our resulting weakness at PF may prevent us from winning a single playoff series. Then, after something like that, we gotta try to sign Hay and Hill.

If I were running the team and trying to push this squad as far as it can go, then I'm definitely interested in Chandler. Shut Favors down for 15ish games, and then bring him along slowly off the bench so that he can (re)peak just before the playoffs. If that happens, then you move Chandler to the bench and deal with any personality-driven consequences of that decision. Lyles is the primary back up at PF and Diaw moves to back-up C.

Chandler's contract is pretty good. He'd be pretty easy to trade next year, if necessary.
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What is the max you give up for him?

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