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babe said:
sorry, this is the right quote relative to my last comment. Not really the culture war, but economics.
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You responded to my post about Trump not really being that popular by talking about the failure of the left and saying that I should leave La sometime. :/

As far as economics changing voting patterns I don't see it really is a shift to the right or left conservative or liberal. The ship seems to be a shift towards populism within both factions.
 
♪alt13 said:
You responded to my post about Trump not really being that popular by talking about the failure of the left and saying that I should leave La sometime. :/

As far as economics changing voting patterns I don't see it really is a shift to the right or left conservative or liberal. The ship seems to be a shift towards populism within both factions.
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Out of curiosity, what, in your view, is populism? I've been hearing a lot about populism, but I'm not sure how it fundamentally differs from traditional forms of democracy.
 
JimLes said:
Well, there was an election.
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In which roughly half of America didn't vote.

As for the polls, those same polls had him getting crushed. We saw how that turned out.

Is it possible more dislike than like him? Sure it is, I'd even say probable. But we don't really know.
 
Also lmfao [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION] disliking every post.

What's up?
 
Stoked said:
In which roughly half of America didn't vote.

As for the polls, those same polls had him getting crushed. We saw how that turned out.

Is it possible more dislike than like him? Sure it is, I'd even say probable. But we don't really know.
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The election results fell within the standard deviation of the good polls. The polls weren't lying or wrong.
 
Ron Mexico said:
The election results fell within the standard deviation of the good polls. The polls weren't lying or wrong.
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The Polls had her winning FL, PA, WI, MI and crushing him in the election. Landslide was being thrown around. This election was pronounced over before election day ever got here. Some projections were 95%+ for her. The polls were wrong.

Some election week polls:

N.H. Clinton by 11
MI Clinton by 5
WI Cinton by 8
PA Clinton by 4
VA Clinton by 7
UT Trump by 6 (lol, this one for laughs)
I followed them constantly. They were wrong where it mattered.

Yeah she won the popular vote, great. He won the W.H. and by extension the Senate, House, S.C. and most governorships and state congresses.

In the 2016 Election there were 215,018,000 eligible voters

She got 65,844,610
He got 62,979,636
Others got 7,801,213

Didn't vote 78,452,541

Yup, we know all we need to know.

I used RCP, IRJ and Pew for these figures.
 
Stoked said:
The Polls had her winning FL, PA, WI, MI and crushing him in the election. Landslide was being thrown around. This election was pronounced over before election day ever got here. Some projections were 95%+ for her. The polls were wrong.

Some election week polls:

N.H. Clinton by 11
MI Clinton by 5
WI Cinton by 8
PA Clinton by 4
VA Clinton by 7
UT Trump by 6 (lol, this one for laughs)
I followed them constantly. They were wrong where it mattered.

Yeah she won the popular vote, great. He won the W.H., Senate, House, S.C. and most governorships and state congresses.

In the 2016 Election there were 215,018,000 eligible voters

She got 65,844,610
He got 62,979,636
Others got 7,801,213

Didn't vote 78,452,541

Yup, we know all we need to know.

I used RCP, IRJ and Pew for these figures.
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It was a blowout early and at points. But it tightened up and a lot of undecideds swung towards Trump in the final days. Most polls showed it close the day before with Clinton slightly winning. But within its standard deviation it showed Trump could win. Declarations about who would win and claiming it was 95 percent in someone's favor were done by people not the poll. The fact Trump always had a chance even when the gap was bigger shows it was within its standard deviation.

Reputable polls are fairly reliable. How people interrupt those polls is not. If anyone cares I can post the polls and info the day before from 538, which is a poll aggregator and they stated and showed the election was within reach of Trump the day before. Anything earlier than that is pointless since people change their minds.
 
Siro said:
Out of curiosity, what, in your view, is populism? I've been hearing a lot about populism, but I'm not sure how it fundamentally differs from traditional forms of democracy.
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I would say that democracies are susceptible to producing populism but I wouldn't say that they are the same thing. In my view the degree to which an ideology or a movement is populist is equal to the degree it depends on uninvestigated popular opinion. By the degree to which it's willing to debate. By the degree to which it dismisses experts and facts facts without even attempting to make a rational argument for doing so. The experts are elitists and the facts are lies. We're always going to have this problem to some degree elevating our opinions and ignoring evidence but it does seem to me that it's fair to say that recently we seem to be doing it more.

I know it's not a very good definition but it's the best I got right now.
 
Jonah said:
Here’s a recent article on Trump from an actual, mindful conservative, in the Burke and Oakeshott tradition, as opposed to the reactionary hoopleheads that dominate the current Republican Party. It’s written in Sullivan’s typically melodramatic and emotional style, but is chock-full of spot on observations.

https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/andrew-sullivan-the-madness-of-king-donald.html
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On Wednesday, Senator Richard Blumenthal related the news that Judge Neil Gorsuch, Trump’s nominee for the long-vacant Supreme Court seat, had told him that the president’s unprecedented, personal attacks on federal judges were “disheartening” and “demoralizing.” Within half an hour, this was confirmed by Gorsuch’s White House–appointed spokesman, who was present for the conversation. CNN also reported that Senator Ben Sasse had heard Gorsuch say exactly the same thing, with feeling, as did former senator Kelly Ayotte.

The president nonetheless insisted twice yesterday that Blumenthal had misrepresented his conversation with Gorsuch — first in an early morning tweet and then, once again, yesterday afternoon, in front of the television cameras. To add to the insanity, he also tweeted that in a morning interview, Chris Cuomo had never challenged Blumenthal on his lies about his service in Vietnam — when the tape clearly shows it was the first thing Cuomo brought up.

What are we supposed to do with this? How are we to respond to a president who in the same week declared that the “murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 45 to 47 years,” when, of course, despite some recent, troubling spikes in cities, it’s nationally near a low not seen since the late 1960s, and half what it was in 1980. What are we supposed to do when a president says that two people were shot dead in Chicago during President Obama’s farewell address — when this is directly contradicted by the Chicago police? None of this, moreover, is ever corrected. No error is ever admitted. Any lie is usually doubled down by another lie — along with an ad hominem attack.
 
Stoked said:
And there are millions and millions of people who ardently support him. Who really knows who has the majority.

I find some of the attacks on him to be bigger red flags for those making the attacks than the target of the attacks. Some pathetic stuff going on.

People on both sides are going off the deep end and it'll end badly.
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but my point being, the right wingers who did not support him(for example the #nevertrump movement) are now turning around to him, from everyday people i know, to right wing media and politician they are abandoning the never trump movement! i guarantee you beck would not vote for trump nov 8 2016. today he would have voted for him,! the biggest most outspoken never trumper.

trumps support is growing, not only trump but worldwide the right wing is growing! the media likes u to believe its not true.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Where he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, only 55% of people eligible to vote showed up to vote and his support has steadily gone downhill since the election and since taking office. Every reputable presidential approval poll show he is below 50% approval even ones from conservative groups.
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actually his supporters dont regret voting for him.

but people who would not have voted for him now say they would if they known he would keep his promise!


dont trutst the media, the same media who said hillary in a landslide!
 
Ron Mexico said:
It was a blowout early and at points. But it tightened up and a lot of undecideds swung towards Trump in the final days. Most polls showed it close the day before with Clinton slightly winning. But within its standard deviation it showed Trump could win. Declarations about who would win and claiming it was 95 percent in someone's favor were done by people not the poll. The fact Trump always had a chance even when the gap was bigger shows it was within its standard deviation.

Reputable polls are fairly reliable. How people interrupt those polls is not. If anyone cares I can post the polls and info the day before from 538, which is a poll aggregator and they stated and showed the election was within reach of Trump the day before. Anything earlier than that is pointless since people change their minds.
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yet if you turned on the news everybody was expecting hillary to win. and where utterly shocked when trump won
 
I have not read through the most recent comments, but simply want to apologize for any comments that offended. No need of that, and sometimes my passion for my own position can get a bit out of hand. Sorry.
 
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