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And you want 20 mil per year?

Eminence said:
Generally the same feeling here. Love the way Hill plays, and would have no problem with the Jazz giving large sums to keep him, but 30+/year is just too much. That locks us into Hill/Hayward/Gobert (great combo, but not enough without a great supporting cast) and then we watch that cast of Hood/Favors/others leave cause they simply can't afford to go that far into tax territory.
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Exactly. I'm not sure what price I'd feel good about keeping him at. Maybe 4/90? I don't know. Would have to see what it would do to the cap.


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Saint Cy of JFC said:
The layup to put us up 1 tho.

And the steal with 20 seconds left.

And both airballs led directly to points for Utah. He airballed that one time that let Hayward get the offensive rebound and get fouled for 2 points and the airball that won the game. Hill had clutch airballs.
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Thee jazz fan said:
Why shouldn't he want a max deal?? He's never had the opportunity he's had now. He was a backup to Parker with the spurs and never had the ball in Indiana as he played third fiddle to George and Ellis. Now he's running the offense as an actual pg, and he's won us more then a few games.
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fishonjazz said:
So the jazz are giving him a better opportunity and better role than he has ever had before?
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Weather its right or wrong, maybe the fact him and his manager are pressing so hard for MAX money, costing the Jazz the chance to use cap space to front load his contract which will eventually hurt us has left a bitter taste.

I understand that is a one sided argument especially considering G.Hill hasn't had a payday yet but fans don't need to be rational, they just want whats best for THEIR team. Extending Hill and using that cap space was an ace up DL sleeve that he can no longer use.

Its Quins system and Jazz players making Hill shine just as much as his own ability.
 
Eminence said:
Generally the same feeling here. Love the way Hill plays, and would have no problem with the Jazz giving large sums to keep him, but 30+/year is just too much. That locks us into Hill/Hayward/Gobert (great combo, but not enough without a great supporting cast) and then we watch that cast of Hood/Favors/others leave cause they simply can't afford to go that far into tax territory.
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This is not a good take because the situation is not that grim.. lemme explain..

*Now if you're convinced the organization is cheap and will continue with cost-cutting maneuvers after the 3 are secured, only then can I see where you're coming from.. it seems all indications are that they'll spend and have been preparing to do so..

Even if they overpay "the big 3", Thats not the final nail in the coffin for the supporting cast... Now it certainly limits the moves they can make and the quality of some of those moves. RFA's like Hood can be retained nomatter what.

It's going to relegate them into really searching far-and-wide for great value which I'd say is something we've been seeing from GSW for a while now. Looking for underpaid vets(or underpaid youngins a la Aminu years back...) willing to sacrifice salary for being on a good team and also pinpointing players in the draft to be developed for very specific roles, and hitting on them..

Those are the keys to "dumpster diving"/value-seeking/buy-low tactics, if you will, and they'd be absolutely vital if the Jazz go down that path.

This is in-part why I'm sure the long-term ramifications of hitting another homerun in this draft is being understated(simply because the picks aren't that high)..
 
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elan_prodigy said:
Weather its right or wrong, maybe the fact him and his manager are pressing so hard for MAX money, costing the Jazz the chance to use cap space to front load his contract which will eventually hurt us has left a bitter taste.

I understand that is a one sided argument especially considering G.Hill hasn't had a payday yet but fans don't need to be rational, they just want whats best for THEIR team. Extending Hill and using that cap space was an ace up DL sleeve that he can no longer use.

Its Quins system and Jazz players making Hill shine just as much as his own ability.
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Good post
 
elan_prodigy said:
Weather its right or wrong, maybe the fact him and his manager are pressing so hard for MAX money, costing the Jazz the chance to use cap space to front load his contract which will eventually hurt us has left a bitter taste.

I understand that is a one sided argument especially considering G.Hill hasn't had a payday yet but fans don't need to be rational, they just want whats best for THEIR team. Extending Hill and using that cap space was an ace up DL sleeve that he can no longer use.

Its Quins system and Jazz players making Hill shine just as much as his own ability.
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As much as Quine system is a fit for Hill... The same can be said for Hill making Quinn's system look respectable, and Hayward and Gobert have never looked better. The jazz are scoring more points as a unit with Hill.

Hill in my mind isn't better because of the system he's in, he's better because of his role. Again, he was a backup with the spurs, and was relegated to spot up with the pacers while PG and Ellis ran the offense.
 
If he's 26 and contributing, without injuries taking him out for 25% of the season I'd consider max. 30+ not happening. Love how everyone is so anxious to spend other peoples money. If it was your account writing the checks I bet there would be a little more discretion. Just because other players are getting overpaid doesn't mean this organization has to do it. If he gets that kind of money elsewhere good for him, and too bad for whoever pays him.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
As much as Quine system is a fit for Hill... The same can be said for Hill making Quinn's system look respectable, and Hayward and Gobert have never looked better. The jazz are scoring more points as a unit with Hill.

Hill in my mind isn't better because of the system he's in, he's better because of his role. Again, he was a backup with the spurs, and was relegated to spot up with the pacers while PG and Ellis ran the offense.
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Could you misspell quin a couple more times? I have been wondering how many ways it could go.
 
He could miss the rest of the season with an injury that people think will be good by the start of next year and will sleepwalk into $20 million a year.
 
I missed the part where Hill thinks he'll get $30+. Is there really a team out there willing to give that up? He might find himself riding out the rest of his career on a **** team. Please Dante learn how to shoot this offseason.
 
tonstermits said:
I missed the part where Hill thinks he'll get $30+. Is there really a team out there willing to give that up? He might find himself riding out the rest of his career on a **** team. Please Dante learn how to shoot this offseason.
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Griz made Conley the highest paid player in the NBA because they knew how much better a good pg makes a team. Remember our offense before Hill?
 
PG_AB said:
This is not a good take because the situation is not that grim.. lemme explain..

*Now if you're convinced the organization is cheap and will continue with cost-cutting maneuvers after the 3 are secured, only then can I see where you're coming from.. it seems all indications are that they'll spend and have been preparing to do so..

Even if they overpay "the big 3", Thats not the final nail in the coffin for the supporting cast... Now it certainly limits the moves they can make and the quality of some of those moves. RFA's like Hood can be retained nomatter what.

It's going to relegate them into really searching far-and-wide for great value which I'd say is something we've been seeing from GSW for a while now. Looking for underpaid vets(or underpaid youngins a la Aminu years back...) willing to sacrifice salary for being on a good team and also pinpointing players in the draft to be developed for very specific roles, and hitting on them..

Those are the keys to "dumpster diving"/value-seeking/buy-low tactics, if you will, and they'd be absolutely vital if the Jazz go down that path.

This is in-part why I'm sure the long-term ramifications of hitting another homerun in this draft is being understated(simply because the picks aren't that high)..
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There's a massive difference between being willing to go over the cap and the kind of numbers we'd be throwing around with signing guys like Hood with Hill at 30+ million per year. Going into next season assuming Gordon signs we'll already be close to 100 mil without Hill (keeping Neto/Bolomboy because we won't find anybody better cheaper and letting Diaw go). No Ingles/Mack/Withey signed. Current projected cap of 102 million.

2018:
Hayward - 31
Rudy - 21
Favors - 12
Johnson - 11
Burks - 11
Dante - 5
Lyles - 2
Hood - 2
Neto - 1
Bolomboy - 1

~97 million before Hill. Sure, the front office might be willing to spend a bit, but you're crazy if you think they're going 20+ over the cap for Hill while staring down the barrel of Favors/Johnson/Dante/Hood all hitting free agency in some manner the next year (Hood/Exum RFA obviously).
 
Let Hill ruin another team with a 4/$130m contract. I have no doubt that the Jazz would pass.

Get Jru Holiday. If not possible for ~$20m, then grab Collison or another good value PG.
 
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