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LoPo said:
I am guessing that Millsap will want $22+ per year for 3 years or around $20 per year for 4 years. What he wants and what he gets could be different. And honestly, I would pay that if it meant keeping Hayward.

If we lose Hayward, we either lose Hill too or we overpay to keep him. Hill without Hayward is practically worthless. If we sign Millsap and re sign Hayward, we put pressure on Hill to re sign at a fair number. This would be the last best chance for Hill to compete as a starter.

As for salaries, they will only go up. The salary floor has gone up again. Mozgov got $16 per, TristanT got $16.5+ per, and Noah got $17+ per last year. None of those guys are or will be Millsap who has been the cornerstone on a perennial playoff team.

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I'm sure Millsap wants as much money as he can get.
 
LoPo said:
I would do the following:

Re-sign Hayward
Sign Millsap
If affordable, re-sign Hill. If not, sign Mills.
Re-sign Ingles or sign Reddick
Sign Simmons or Liggins

Let Mack, Diaw and Withey go.

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Re-signing Hayward and Hill puts us over the cap. Utah could clear some space by opting out on Diaw and dumping Burks, but it ain't gonna be enough to go after anybody significant, like Millsap.

Why would you sign Reddick instead of keeping Ingles? To me, that isn't even a question. You re-sign Joe. And although his cap hold isn't a lot, it still eats in to any cap space we might clear to sign someone else's FA.

Jazz fans are going to be disappointed if they are expecting to score somebody big in FA. Our best chance at bringing another big name is through trade. Utah will be lucky to re-sign their 3 main FAs.
 
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Also, as a hypothetical, if we threw 20 million at Millsap, I'd bet 20 million at Ibaka would also do it and I'd take him.
 
infection said:
Also, as a hypothetical, if we threw 20 million at Millsap, I'd bet 20 million at Ibaka would also do it and I'd take him.
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Uggh, no thanks. Ibaka is proven to not be a difference maker when competing against the top teams.
 
Muscala. He can play some 4 or 5 and stretch the floor and knows Quin.

Patrick Patterson. Tough and can stretch the floor. Really good bench guy yet could start if needed.

David West and Iggy. Aged vets who want a ring...and cause **** the Dubs.

Tyreke. Versatile offensive player. Sell him on coming off the bench.

All of these if the price is right.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Muscala. He can play some 4 or 5 and stretch the floor and knows Quin.

Patrick Patterson. Tough and can stretch the floor. Really good bench guy yet could start if needed.

David West and Iggy. Aged vets who want a ring...and cause **** the Dubs.

Tyreke. Versatile offensive player. Sell him on coming off the bench.

All of these if the price is right.
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I dont think Iggy or West are leaving GSW. I bet they both just take the vet minimum to stay on.

LMAO at the thought of getting Tyreke Evans though. Dude is terrible and is a loose cannon as far as shot selection goes. Makes Alec Burks look like a high IQ player.

I can agree with Patterson/Muscala though.
 
LoPo said:
Making a list of guys I want to target this off-season. Please feel free to chime in:

Liggins (UFA Cle) - intriguing young prospect who doesnt play because of the Cavs depth.

JJ Reddick (UFA LAC) - if we built like last off-season, I could see him being a logical target. We have the money, the need for shooting and probably a starting SG spot.

Patty Mills (UFA SA) - I would pursue Mills over Hill. He will be cheaper and is used to playing PG and PG/SG. His addition would compliment Exum so well long term. He is a shot creator.

Jonathan Simmons (UFA SA) - he plays with heart. He attacks the rim. He has a crazy career story and plays with a chip on his shoulder. We need his passion.

Paul Millsap (UFA Atl) - yes, I know. But he fits next to Gobert perfectly. He is not in place of Favors but in addition to him. If we get him, we decline Diaw's option. Millsap makes us a contender.

Taj Gibson (UFA OKC) - if we can't get a starter like Millsap, Gibson makes sense. He works hard and will be there when Favors is hurt. He could play when Diaw is too slow.

Mike Scott (UFA Pho) - wildcard/reach here. He played under Quin at Atlanta. He can really spread the floor at PF.



I would do the following:

Re-sign Hayward
Sign Millsap
If affordable, re-sign Hill. If not, sign Mills.
Re-sign Ingles or sign Reddick
Sign Simmons or Liggins

Let Mack, Diaw and Withey go.

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Mills? There are 3-4 better pgs out there we can get, why bring someone worse than Hill?

Millsap would be too expensive. No salary cap. Only Taj Gibson make sense there even that is debatable. He may impede Lyles' growth.
Also its interesting you would like to sign Reddick after witnessing his terrible performance against us. Ingles is much better than him. Get Korver if you want spot up shooter.
 
infection said:
We wouldn't be able to sign Millsap without addressing Hill and Hayward first because of cap hits. And if we re-sign both then we're forced into a sign-and-trade if we want him.
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We have $65 million before Diaw and Hayward. The salary cap is $101 with the luxury tax at $121.

Cant we go over the cap to sign Hill and Hayward since we have their Bird rights?

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LoPo said:
We have $65 million before Diaw and Hayward. The salary cap is $101 with the luxury tax at $121.

Cant we go over the cap to sign Hill and Hayward since we have their Bird rights?

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Just to put things in perspective a little, Utah has about 23 million in cap space going into next season. However, that doesn't take into account cap holds on Hill and Ingles, so if unless you renounce your rights on those guys, we don't really have that much space. Cap holds eat more than half.

Not sure where you are getting 65 million.

I'm also not even counting a cap hold on Hayward, as he could still opt in. If he opts out, cap holds wipe out any cap space we have now.
 
LoPo said:
We have $65 million before Diaw and Hayward. The salary cap is $101 with the luxury tax at $121.

Cant we go over the cap to sign Hill and Hayward since we have their Bird rights?

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Yes, but like 150% or 200% of their salary counts against your cap until you re-sign them, so we don't really have that space available unless we renounce them.
 
Jazz will need to sign their own (Hayward, Hill and Jingles), hit on the value free agents (ala Joe Jesus) and then win again in the trade market (Hill and Diaw). Last year, DL needed veteran depth, playoff experience and leadership. . . and then he went and crushed the offseason. This year, he needs another star. I'm curious to see if he's willing to pay the price and cash in his chips to go All in on Hayward and Gobert. I think the moment is right for it and has been building towards exactly that. I've said for a couple of years that I thought this was the offseason that the Jazz would look to make their big move.

I think the best move (again) would have to come as a trade during the draft (prior to free agency moves) and then re-up everyone with Burd rights. Then try to add a player or two to replace Mack, Withey, Burks and Diaw. I'm pretty sure that Teodosic is going to be a target to replace Mack. No idea on the others. Iso Joe wasn't even on my radar until they signed him. All I know is that they can't count on Dante or Hood to become a star and expect Hayward to stay. They need to make a significant move to close the gap between themselves and the Warriors.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Just to put things in perspective a little, Utah has about 23 million in cap space going into next season. However, that doesn't take into account cap holds on Hill and Ingles, so if unless you renounce your rights on those guys, we don't really have that much space. Cap holds eat more than half.

Not sure where you are getting 65 million.

I'm also not even counting a cap hold on Hayward, as he could still opt in. If he opts out, cap holds wipe out any cap space we have now.
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Without Diaw and Hayward, we are at $65. Cap expected at $101. We are projected to have $36 in cap space.

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There is one way Utah could clear enough cap room to go after a bigger name FA(and still keep their own guys), and that's for Hayward to opt in, team opts out on Diaw and salary dumps Burks.
 
So we would have to renounce the rights to free agents we dont intend to keep like Withey, Mack, etc.

So I guess my ideas have to involve dumping Burks which I believe is possible.

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