Hood or Exum

[LoPo]

Keep Hood and Exum unless Hood can help get us a good player.

Hood, Favors, our 1st and the GS 1st is a pretty dang good package. Hood can play and still has some potential. Favors will help a team that needs a quality 3rd big who can start if necessary. Picks are still valuable.

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[Douchebag K]

I'd keep Hood because I know his recent struggles are related to injury and not talent. He's a stud when injury free and will come back extremely strong once healed up.

I like the flashes I see in Exum but to me I just don't see the eternal promise that everyone has been waiting for and hoping for. Not saying he's a bad player but I think he's far behind on his overall development and won't be the player we had hoped for.

until his next injury or shooting funk ...

 

[Getting Traded]

Exum has not been consistently bad. Stop stat watching and watch a game once in a while.

He's had his moments and as the season progressed he has gotten better, especially this last game. He is flashing potential and showing elite speed. I think it is obvious he's a late bloomer and is far from fully mature. So you know he is going to get a lot stronger. Tell me when you saw him flying in for dunks during games before the end of this season? I think in the beginning of the season he wasn't confident about the strength of his knee, and also I think he is just getting stronger.

 

[kiri.de.carlos]

IWDG

Irish whale and dolphin group??

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[kiri.de.carlos]

I could see us moving Burks to BKN for Harris, Kilpatrick, or Dinwiddie. They can't keep them all. I think he's far from untradeable. Young and still an okay contract... it would have to be a BKN, Philly, Sacramento salary dump.

Dinwiddie? I want him just for the name lol

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[Douchebag K]

He's had his moments and as the season progressed he has gotten better, especially this last game. He is flashing potential and showing elite speed. I think it is obvious he's a late bloomer and is far from fully mature. So you know he is going to get a lot stronger. Tell me when you saw him flying in for dunks during games before the end of this season? I think in the beginning of the season he wasn't confident about the strength of his knee, and also I think he is just getting stronger.

the first time he looked a little more explosive was the dunk against portland off the left leg just before the all star break.

 

[Douchebag K]

Dinwiddie? I want him just for the name lol

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i want Sean Kilpatrick, just for having an African-American with a totally Irish name !

 

[NUMBERICA]

Very disillusioned with both of them tbh. Hood has been much better but is soft as hell and choked insanely hard in the playoffs. Exum just isn't very good (yet?) and is soft as well but he seems to at least recognize that and tried to fight against it by playing with some fire and sand which I appreciate.

We have a little bit of time to sort this out.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Very disillusioned with both of them tbh. Hood has been much better but is soft as hell and choked insanely hard in the playoffs. Exum just isn't very good (yet?) and is soft as well but he seems to at least recognize that and tried to fight against it by playing with some fire and sand which I appreciate.

We have a little bit of time to sort this out.

Not a lot of time if you want a return on one of them.

 

[DasJazz]

until his next injury or shooting funk ...

By that logic Hayward is trash cause he goes through shooting slumps.

 

[Miggs]

If you're asking, can we in accordance with the CBA, yes, definitely I think. He's our own guy.

This coming year we should be fine even if we do go into the LT some. Hopefully we can dump Burks and opt out of Diaw or at least get him on a cheaper deal, and maybe dump Lyles.

In 18/19, we currently only have have:

Gobert--22.74M
Burks--11.54M
Lyles--3.37M
Bolomboy--1.54M

...along with cap holds...

If we dump Burks and Lyles, that gives us Rudy and Bolomboy at 23.28 total. Let's say we stand pat and have our 2017 24th and 30th picks on the roster that season. That's 1.56M and 1.38M more per RealGM. So for four guys, that's 26.22M. Let's also assume we have our two 2018 NBA 1st rounders on that roster and that they are the 21st (OKC this year) and 24th picks (same for us again) and that the rookie scale goes up a little. That's 1.77M and 1.56M more for 3.33M more total, now putting us at 29.55M for six guys.

Let's say Hill is at 25M, Hayward 37M, and Ingles 12M. Now we're at 103.55M for nine guys. Gobert, Hayward, Hill, Ingles, Bolomboy, our two 2017 1st rounders, and our two 2018 1st rounders. If we can retain Favors, Hood, and Exum for about 15M each (wishful thinking), we'd then be at 148.55M for 12 guys. We would probably have 1-2 2017-2018 2nd rounders on that roster too, along with maybe 1-2 cheap vets, putting us at around 155-160M.

So yeah, again, per the CBA, I think it's possible. But looking at these projections, unlikely. All the more reason to try to keep Hill somewhere more around 22M. Ingles more around 10M. And if we can, we may be able to retain two of Exum, Favors and Hood. And pray the Cap/LT actually end up going up a little next year.

Assuming Hayward doesn't get the DVP extension (I don't think he will) and opts out (I think he will) and gets the max, he will make 33.05M in 18-19, not 37M as I put above. That is almost 4M in savings. If we can keep Hill at 23M or below, that is huge too. Frontload it, hell.

If Hill is at 23M in two years and Ingles 12M, we'd be at 97.6M for Gobert, Hayward, Hill, Ingles, Bolomboy and out four 1st rounders the next two years. Not bad at all actually. That's probably around 35M below the LT that season.

I'm starting to think we will be able to keep almost this entire core together. Except Burks of course. He is no longer part of that group.

 

[Miggs]

Maybe Hayward takes a small (2.5%?) cut, Hill gets more like 22M, and Ingles stays at only around 8-10M.

Starting to get a major chub at how we're setting up.

 

[Douchebag K]

By that logic Hayward is trash cause he goes through shooting slumps.

Ludicrous comment. Not even remotely like Hood's inconsistency. Gordon starts the season slow 3 pt shooting wise but is then pretty damned consistent. And if he doesn't shoot well, he get Les to the line, he rebounds, he creates. And he doesn't play half a season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

By that logic Hayward is trash cause he goes through shooting slumps.

This year he was super consistent other than this first month when he returned from the finger injury.

 

[Siro]

I'd keep Exum. Hood, who runs the danger of forever being an inconsistent player, is likely to have suitors driving up his salary. Hood can, therefore, be traded for something of value. Exum has little trade value, but he can possibly become a very good player. But that's not likely to happen next year, and the Jazz can re-sign him for average-starter money, and hope he develops into better-than-average player.

 

[LoPo]

People have to realize that Hood needs to be groomed as a Jamal Crawford and not a Danny Green or Klay Thompson. He is not that comprehensive, consistent player they are. Hood as a 6th man would be the spark plug we always hoped Burks would be. Hood actually fits it better, in my opinion, because he can absolutely catch fire from 3 sometimes.

But long term, I just think we are making the decision this summer between Ingles and Hood. I find it very hard to trade Burks and I wish he was the odd man out. If we have any faith in Burks and we cant trade him with out losing good assets, we have to choose between Ingles and Hood.

We cant pay Ingles $10+ this summer and expect to keep Hood long term. We just wont have the money. Somebody like the Nets or Mavs will give Hood a big contract once he is a restricted free agent. With salary cap around $100 and Hayward and Gobert taking halfish, Hood and Ingles cant take up $30 combined.

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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

IMO Hood was replaced in the offensive pecking order by Hill, and Hood didn't exactly handle it well. He tended to force things and got tunnel vision. He clearly regressed with the addition of Hill. X is who we should keep. Exum can develop into a stud. The 4th GSW game is a perfect example of that. Ball is in his court. Hopefully he works his *** off and inprooves his body and shot. Hood is talented offensive player who can get a shot when ever he wants and make it look easy and smooth, but I think that can be a detriment for him and his team. Last year he had serious tunnel vision everytime he used a screen from Gobert, he used it to get off a shot and paid no attention to a wide open, and cutting Gobert. It seemed he was just desperate to do nothing but score. I rarely saw him take an open shot, whereas most of Haywards shots were open good shots, and he shot more then anyone on the team. This tells me Hood wasn't always playing within the offense, and going rogue a ton.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

People have to realize that Hood needs to be groomed as a Jamal Crawford and not a Danny Green or Klay Thompson. He is not that comprehensive, consistent player they are. Hood as a 6th man would be the spark plug we always hoped Burks would be. Hood actually fits it better, in my opinion, because he can absolutely catch fire from 3 sometimes.

But long term, I just think we are making the decision this summer between Ingles and Hood. I find it very hard to trade Burks and I wish he was the odd man out. If we have any faith in Burks and we cant trade him with out losing good assets, we have to choose between Ingles and Hood.

We cant pay Ingles $10+ this summer and expect to keep Hood long term. We just wont have the money. Somebody like the Nets or Mavs will give Hood a big contract once he is a restricted free agent. With salary cap around $100 and Hayward and Gobert taking halfish, Hood and Ingles cant take up $30 combined.

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Personally, I'm not ready to give up on Burks yet. I just feel that if he can just get healthy by training camp, he could be in for a bounce back year. We don't really have a scorer off the bench. JJ can provide this once in a while but he's old and can't do it every, or even most games. Burks just needs to get his killer instinct back, and if he could get healthy, I think he'd get that back.

 

[LoPo]

Personally, I'm not ready to give up on Burks yet. I just feel that if he can just get healthy by training camp, he could be in for a bounce back year. We don't really have a scorer off the bench. JJ can provide this once in a while but he's old and can't do it every, or even most games. Burks just needs to get his killer instinct back, and if he could get healthy, I think he'd get that back.

I agree to a certain extent. Without a doubt, we have to have faith in Burks. We cant trade him without giving the other team assets to take him. So we would lose him and probably a 1st and a 2nd.

So we keep him and either Ingles or Hood. Hood would seem to make the most sense, but then again, Hayward and Ingles get along well AND we can get assets for Hood in a trade. Interesting decision for sure.

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[DasJazz]

This year he was super consistent other than this first month when he returned from the finger injury.

Agreed, however the point was that any player going through a shooting slump for whatever reason is all of a sudden garbage based on the comment I was referring to. It's dumb logic and the poster is a known Rodney Hood hater so it's biased at best.