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Deleted member 848
Guest
her leaks led to the end of the Iraq war, some say. How do y'all feel about whistleblowers.
Whistleblowing in the traditional sense is fine.
But case by case depends on the why, how, what, when and to who they released it.
DutchJazzer
Banned
there is good and bad whistle blowing. if i am not mistaken his whistle blowing got people killed!
so he should be in jail for live
The secrets she exposed were also getting people killed.
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DutchJazzer
Banned
yeah so he is directly responsible for death of people so he must be sentenced to a lifetime in prison!
Must not since that's not what's happening and that was never on the table.
P.S. Are you being disrespectful to Chelsea Manning on purpose in regard to her gender identity?
DutchJazzer
Banned
naah there is just some tower of babel **** happening again in todays world!
whenever society grows to big, the state grows to marvelous. society and language splinter! their is a great divide in society!
that's just whats happening. 1 side is chancing language the other is keeping to the original language!
that is the metaphysical truth of the tower of babel! history keeps repeating itself!
to me a "he him his" pronouns are reserved for people with xy chromosomes. and i know for a DAMNED fact that manning has Xy so he gets the "he his him" pronouns
SIMPLE SCIENCE!!!!!!!!
i refuse to conform to unscientific hogwash!
So you're not much of a believer in individual rights? Specifically the right to determine your own identity.
For instance, you're Jazzfanz identity is Dutchjazzer. That was your right to choose that name. When I address you I have choices. I can call you Dutchjazzer. I can call you Dutch for short. I can also choose to call you Dutchjizzer or Jewjazzer or Butch. But generally I think it's good manners to refer to a person as they identify their self.
If someone's birth name is Adolph but they prefer to go by their middle name, Dwight, it is rude to insist on calling them Adolph.
It's basic manners. You don't have to agree that identifying as transgender is legitimate. You simply have to employ basic manners.
Am I the only one that thinks JewJazzer is an awesome name? Just rolls off the tongue. I like it (non derogatory).
Agreed 100% [MENTION=4984]Bulletproof[/MENTION]
DutchJazzer
Banned
yeah believe in individual rights all iw ant.
but here is the beautifull thing names are given by the parents, pronouns are given by the xy xx chromosoms!
you can call me whatever you like. most people on here call me butch!
dutchjizzer is nice but reminds me of clutchafnds always calling the utah jazz that!
jewjazzer is awesome! might request that name! now that i recnelty became a dutch citizen dutchjazzer fits me. first dutch was based on my first language!
anywho yes i do believe in indivudual rights
now here is the beauty about individual rights it goes both ways! you cannot force me how i use my mouth or fingers into saying "he she hers". it is called the first amendment! most countries in the world do not believe in it. in canada they are forcing a professor called jordan b peterson to say the wrong pronouns and made up pronouns! he refuse to do so, since then he rose in popularity! he said those "bloody neo marxist" i also chose this hill to die on!
if i respect a tranny/transsexual/transgender or whatever the hell the political correct term is nowadays i have the individual right to make an exception for those people! and yest at the moment there are 4 trannies who i make the he she exception for as a sign of respect. 2 are well known youtube right wing libertarian lovely people:Blair white, theryn meyer and the 3rd is one i personally know. they oppose forced speech like bill c16 and not forcing me to use the unscientific gender pronounds. they also acknowledged that everyone is free to do whatever they like!
i might forego scientific truth for reasonable liberty minded people. the kind of people that never force you! they also did not take a single cent of taxpayer money to fund their sex reasignment cosmetic surgery
breadley manning is scum of the earth he does not deserve that courtesy! really look at my post history i have been called butch a gazillion times. ask people who called me butch if i ever called em out on it.
look at these beatifull liberty loving transgendered women
youtube demonotized these based woke beautifull women! because they do not represent the leftist tyrannical totalitarian identity politics
also i have learned 1 thing today!
you think jew is a derogatory or offensive term! that makes you a bigot my friend. a anti semetic biggot. i think that is wrong!
but you are free to be as anti Semitic as you want! in thought oifcourse, if you ever convert your anti Semitic bigoted thoughts in action hell will rain upon you!
DutchJazzer
Banned
maybe i should run a poll and get the name JEWJAZZER
but i think someone already is singing up with that name
I used the example of jewjazzer as an example of calling you something other than your self-identified name. Not as an example of the derogatory use of the word Jew.
I acknowledge that you don't have to act in a respectful way. I acknowledge that you don't have to be respectful of others. You have every right to be a complete jackass. You've proven that you know how to exercise that right hundreds of times on this site.
Congratulations?
I acknowledge that you don't have to act in a respectful way. I acknowledge that you don't have to be respectful of others. You have every right to be a complete jackass. You've proven that you know how to exercise that right hundreds of times on this site.
Congratulations?
I consider Chelsea Manning a hero. Someone who understood their oath better than most. You do not swear to protect and serve the military or the CIA, you swear to protect the Constitution and the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
DutchJazzer
Banned
still i will not give him the courtesy of using the femalepronouns
on second news bill c16 got passed in canada forcing people to use wrong pronouns, plurar pronouns and made up pronouns!
their is a video by the transperson theryn meyer would have posted it but she drops 2 f-bombs in it!
well her basic principle is you do not force it on it people! that basically language is something that is negotiated in society! this is not negotiating this is forcing by legislation! they are taking my right away to speak freely!
ofcourse bil c16 is canadian verison of it, and has nothing to do with manning! but it is the general way the left in the west is forcing others their way!
force is wrong!
and manning forced tax payers to pay for his stupid surgery and hormone therapy! which you do not need, because gender is a social construct right!
Need is a pretty basic concept. We need food, water and protection from the elements.
I certainly want more than that, for myself and for every other human. We can limit ourselves, or we can try to become more.
DutchJazzer
Banned
so you want fee food water and protection from the elements from the government
well all i need: is life, liberty, right to secure and own property, together with the right to protect and defend them in the best means possible
if you don't have the right to live you are dead!
if you don't have liberty you are a servant!
if you do not have the right to secure property, then their is no way you are gonna live. and you are subject to whomever owes the property that you use
if you do not have the right to defend these things then they are not yours and you are a SLAVE!
Liberty knows no bounds other than you can not harm another(harm as in take away one of those 4 rights)!
liberty is freedom + morality!
it is respect for someone else only rights(4 mentioned above) including property boundaries
property isn't just material
property is just not land
property is the product of your labor
property is your opinion
property is your religious belief(or lack thereof)
property is the expression of your religious and moral beliefs
property is everything you conceive, use and make
so no one has the authority to make me change the expression of my moral belies! and if no one has that authority, government derives it's authority form the people! neither does the government!
so by that meaning manning gets the pronouns i chose to give to him, sucks for him that i give him the male pronouns. if transgenders wants me to forgoe my moral and scientific beliefs about gender, genderidentity, genderbiology en gender science. then they must let me get to know them! then i might freely forgo an exception on the way i express myself when it comes to the gender pronouns they want.
in short. mannings sexual or gender identity. is his to have! he can prance around with a dress all day long and mutilate his genitals(if he did or not is not my business) it is his body his property! i blieve he has the right to do anything he wants as long as he is not doing it with other peoples property aka tax dollars!
and i have the right to express myself any damn way i please! and he cannot do anything about it! he cannot force me to call him a she. and neither can you!
you can respectfully request that i do. and i can comply or deny your request!
all other rights do not exist, because they infringe on someone else to suplpy them(aka education, healthcare, gender reassignment cosmetic surgery care etc etc)
those are not natural rights! those are made up rights
Where do you get that I want the government to provide people's basic needs? I never said that.
As for the rant, I skipped it.
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As for the rant, I skipped it.
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Darkwing Duck
Well-Known Member
Pronouns are gender based, not sex based.