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Another somewhat convoluted proposal

fishonjazz said:
Obviously you would have to do it when the next contract is put together and ya they would be losing something (this happens in union negotiations sometimes. You don't always get want you want and sometimes you lose something during negotiations) but they would still have a much better job and live in a much better place than me so again, I wouldn't shed any tears for them.
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Yeah because they are more talented and have more desirable skills than you have. That gives them a stronger union and they have negotiated rights that probably arent going to drastically change unless the NBA goes under.

I wouldn't cry, but I would think it's stupid and unnecessary and ultimately bad for the NBA.
 
fishonjazz said:
It's all based on perspective. From my perspective every one of them get paid obscene amounts of money to play basketball.
I will always wish I were playing nba basketball. Never gonna cry for them.
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Right. It's all perspective.

Just like people in Mexico won't be sorry if during your next union negotiations you lose overtime pay, your lunch break and you get moved to a 60 hr week.

It's the principle of the idea.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It was a stupid question that has no relation to the NBA. The military is setup that way and your relative knew what they were getting into.

The NBA has a CBA in place that has players rights.
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The hypothetical being discussed involved changing the CBA. One of the opposing viewpoints was that it wouldnt work because that would be taking away rights.

So if i understand you correctly, you feel that if one knows what they are getting into when they sign up for it, it's all good- again provided it is part of the CBA.
 
JustTheTip said:
Right. It's all perspective.

Just like people in Mexico won't be sorry if during your next union negotiations you lose overtime pay, your lunch break and you get moved to a 60 hr week.

It's the principle of the idea.
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Exactly.
I wouldn't expect them to feel sorry for me.

Strange that you would expect me to feel sorry for people that I'm extremely envious of.

Envy and pity don't really work together very well.


Btw, if that happened in my next union contract then I would quit and get a different job. NBA players would have that option too in this scenario but I highly doubt any would actually find a new job cause they would realize that they are still extremely lucky and have it really good.
 
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I'm with Fish on this one. We're going to feel bad for dudes who get paid millions to play basketball?

They don't get to choose where they get drafted. Do we care about that?


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fishonjazz said:
Exactly.
I wouldn't expect them to feel sorry for me.

Strange that you would expect me to feel sorry for people that I'm extremely envious of.

Envy and pity don't really work together very well.


Btw, if that happened in my next union contract then I would quit and get a different job. NBA players would have that option too in this scenario but I highly doubt any would actually find a new job cause they would realize that they are still extremely lucky and have it really good.
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Fish. Attitudes like yours are what leads to the divide in people. You're basically saying you don't care what happens to other people as long as it doesn't effect you. I mean, using your logic, those NBA players shouldn't care if your union rights get taken away. Everybody's just looking out for themselves.

It's the principal of the ideal. Our rights matter, whether we're rich, poor, middle class, white, black, anything...we have to fight for everybody's rights.
 
Siro said:
I don't really see it that way. For example, if I was offered a job on the stipulation that I spend months at a time working at whichever city I'm needed in, then I'd either accept it or I don't. I wouldn't consider that company's business model a violation of my basic human rights.

The difference in the NBA is that it is a partnership between two organizations. Not simply one of an employer and an employee. And one kind of model might benefit one party at the expense of the other. Regardless of what is good for the sport, we have competing interests at hand.

But I don't oppose it on an ideal.
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Yeah, I went too far with the slavery comparison. You're right.

I get what you're saying, but there's also a players union that protects those players rights. Yes, they make a lot of money and are in a completely unique situation business wise, but we should still care about their rights. Don't you think that as customers we're somewhat responsible for that? Maybe I'm just crazy. I just think it's sad that people only care about their situation. We'd all be better off if we considered other people, no matter their status. Or we can just keep on villifying rich people because they're rich and we're not.
 
White Chocolate said:
I'm with Fish on this one. We're going to feel bad for dudes who get paid millions to play basketball?

They don't get to choose where they get drafted. Do we care about that?


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Again, your chief concern for not caring is that they make a lot of money. I think that's wrong.

As for the draft, the players and team have to reach a compromise for what's fair for both of them. That's why we have the draft. Taking away free agency only benefits one group, and that's the owners. Does that make sense to you?
 
JustTheTip said:
Again, your chief concern for not caring is that they make a lot of money. I think that's wrong.

As for the draft, the players and team have to reach a compromise for what's fair for both of them. That's why we have the draft. Taking away free agency only benefits one group, and that's the owners. Does that make sense to you?
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It doesn't benefit the fans or team?


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fishonjazz said:
Exactly.
I wouldn't expect them to feel sorry for me.

Strange that you would expect me to feel sorry for people that I'm extremely envious of.

Envy and pity don't really work together very well.


Btw, if that happened in my next union contract then I would quit and get a different job. NBA players would have that option too in this scenario but I highly doubt any would actually find a new job cause they would realize that they are still extremely lucky and have it really good.
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Take the same example from JTT and add that you will be getting paid double what you are now. Are you still going to quit? I wouldn't think so.


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JustTheTip said:
Fish. Attitudes like yours are what leads to the divide in people. You're basically saying you don't care what happens to other people as long as it doesn't effect you.
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Nah, you are wrong here. I would feel sorry for lebron if his kid died.
I care what happens to other people.

If someone said to me that they would pay me tons of money to play basketball with the stipulation that I don't get to choose my team then I think that would be awesome. If someone felt sorry for me for that reason then I would think they were an idiot.


Do you feel sorry for jazz players who don't get to wear headbands? Other players get to but not jazz players. That just ain't right.

What about rookies who don't get to choose where they play?

How about military who don't get to choose where they get to live?

What about byu students who have to adhere to the honor code?

If your bleeding heart bleeds so badly for nba basketball players them I may assume you ate perpetually sad for damn near everyone in the world who has it worse than them.
 
JustTheTip said:
Or we can just keep on villifying rich people because they're rich and we're not.
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Villifying, like slavery, is another poor choice of words.
Nobody is Villifying them.

Your bleeding heart again blowing things out of preportion
 
seattlejazzfan said:
The hypothetical being discussed involved changing the CBA. One of the opposing viewpoints was that it wouldnt work because that would be taking away rights.

So if i understand you correctly, you feel that if one knows what they are getting into when they sign up for it, it's all good- again provided it is part of the CBA.
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If it's hypothetical I'm assuming the players agreed to it since it's now in the CBA, so then that would be OK.

I don't think the player would ever agree to it though.
 
JustTheTip said:
Again, your chief concern for not caring is that they make a lot of money. I think that's wrong.

As for the draft, the players and team have to reach a compromise for what's fair for both of them. That's why we have the draft. Taking away free agency only benefits one group, and that's the owners. Does that make sense to you?
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Your first paragraph is incorrect. It's not just that they make lots of money. I love playing basketball. That's a pretty kick *** occupation on top of the money imo.

I think your second paragragh is untrue. (I could be wrong) There is a set salary structure. The players and team don't have to reach a compromise.
 
JustTheTip said:
This is stupid. I'm repeating the same thing over and you don't actually understand what I'm trying to say. Forget it.
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Good call. Agreed.
You would feel sorry them. I wouldn't. That's ok.

I did feel sorry for lebron when his property was vandalized last week though.

Not gonna feel sorry if lebrons employer makes changes he doesn't like though. He can play basketball for some other employer or change professions.
I thought it sucked when the nba enforced a dress code. Didn't feel sorry for the players though.

My employer makes changes to my job that I don't like all the time. I can quit just like nba players can.
 
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