12 year old gay Mormon at church

[♪alt13]

A young woman just today told me that her (mormon)parents would kick her out if they found out that she is gay. She is worried about becoming homeless but I got the impression that she is much more worried about becoming parentless.

Srsly people, that's ****ing sad. There is no way that I could ever love my god's sexual hangups more than I love my children. There is no way that I could let a nasty character from a story book come between me and my kids. There is no way that I would throw one of them out on the street for being themself. For loving another person.

It is asinine.

Based on these projections Islam will overtake Christianity as most dominant religion by 2070. Surprisingly % of Christians suppose to be growing as well. Not sure how they are doing those projections and where these new religious people are converting from - Buddhaism? Paganism? I highly doubt with science and technology progressing we would have more religious people in the future - I would expect the opposite ( except in Islam).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29863...argest-religion-by-2070-new-research-reveals/

It depends on who is doing the counting. According to the LDS church I am mormon. According to me I am not.

 

[Stoked]

A young woman just today told me that her (mormon)parents would kick her out if they found out that she is gay. She is worried about becoming homeless but I got the impression that she is much more worried about becoming parentless.

Srsly people, that's ****ing sad. There is no way that I could ever love my god's sexual hangups more than I love my children. There is no way that I could let a nasty character from a story book come between me and my kids. There is no way that I would throw one of them out on the street for being themself. For loving another person.

It is asinine.



It depends on who is doing the counting. According to the LDS church I am mormon. According to me I am not.

Agreed, my sister, daughter and cousin are all amazing people who happen to be gay. I will not turn my back on them because of who they love. If it is a "sin" that will be between them and the Lord. If I turn my back on them and shun them that is something I will have to answer for.

God is far more complex than how He is presented by the LDS Church, and most other religions. Anger, compassion, humor, sarcasm...all need to be present IMO in order for someone to be "perfect".

Also the LDS congregation in general has done a disastrously poor job at "love one another as I have loved you".

 

[Boris]

Agreed, my sister, daughter and cousin are all amazing people who happen to be gay. I will not turn my back on them because of who they love. If it is a "sin" that will be between them and the Lord. If I turn my back on them and shun them that is something I will have to answer for.

God is far more complex than how He is presented by the LDS Church, and most other religions. Anger, compassion, humor, sarcasm...all need to be present IMO in order for someone to be "perfect".

Also the LDS congregation in general has done a disastrously poor job at "love one another as I have loved you".

I have to be careful how I phrase this cause the moderators an [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] hate simple facts. I personally know several traditional, reserved people who never wanted a gay son but still love an accept them an even there partners. It just isn't relatable for many traditional people to understand homosexuality.

 

[Gameface]

I have to be careful how I phrase this cause the moderators an [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] hate simple facts. I personally know several traditional, reserved people who never wanted a gay son but still love an accept them an even there partners. It just isn't relatable for many traditional people to understand homosexuality.

What you said was not simple facts. What you said I personally found deeply offensive. And I believe it was intended to be offensive.

 

[Boris]

What you said was not simple facts. What you said I personally found deeply offensive. And I believe it was intended to be offensive.

No you are being thin skinned. I stated reality I did not say it was right but that did not stop you from crying to the moderators. What if I say a lot of white people do not want there kids to marry Mexicans an that people are afraid brown immigrants are gonna taint are way of life? I hear that crap all the time. Are you gonna say I'm being racist now? Step outside your bubble an live in reality.

I'll let you get back to telling posters like [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION] how worthless they are.

 

[colton]

Agreed, my sister, daughter and cousin are all amazing people who happen to be gay. I will not turn my back on them because of who they love. If it is a "sin" that will be between them and the Lord. If I turn my back on them and shun them that is something I will have to answer for.

Well put.

 

[Gameface]

No you are being thin skinned. I stated reality I did not say it was right but that did not stop you from crying to the moderators. What if I say a lot of white people do not want there kids to marry Mexicans an that people are afraid brown immigrants are gonna taint are way of life? I hear that crap all the time. Are you gonna say I'm being racist now? Step outside your bubble an live in reality.

I'll let you get back to telling posters like [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION] how worthless they are.

Apparently enough mods agreed with my take on your explicit description of how fathers like to keep their gay sons in the closet. I don't need to tolerate you on your terms when you have no consideration for me. I don't play that one-way ********. So call it thin skinned if you want. Make more offensive comments and I'll report it again.

 

[Harambe]

It usually is. 1st Sunday of the week was something I always loathed.

If I could sit through Sister[Omitted] complaining about how her co-workers don't understand why she looked different(overweight) every fast Sunday, that Bishop can deal with a gay child and someone recording her telling her ward.

There is not a damned thing wrong with documenting a life defining event.

 

[LogGrad98]

Agreed, my sister, daughter and cousin are all amazing people who happen to be gay. I will not turn my back on them because of who they love. If it is a "sin" that will be between them and the Lord. If I turn my back on them and shun them that is something I will have to answer for.

God is far more complex than how He is presented by the LDS Church, and most other religions. Anger, compassion, humor, sarcasm...all need to be present IMO in order for someone to be "perfect".

Also the LDS congregation in general has done a disastrously poor job at "love one another as I have loved you".

Sure, sarcasm is a great quality, everybody needs it in spades. No other path to perfection but sarcasm.

 

[LogGrad98]

It is possible to love someone and disagree with them, even vehemently. As soon as we start thinking we are our opinions then we have really stopped thinking.

 

[Boris]

Apparently enough mods agreed with my take on your explicit description of how fathers like to keep their gay sons in the closet. I don't need to tolerate you on your terms when you have no consideration for me. I don't play that one-way ********. So call it thin skinned if you want. Make more offensive comments and I'll report it again.

Oh really so explain to a man in his 60's how most ever one he knows with kids would not want to find out there kid is gay. I am a hippie dude I do not give a rats *** but it is a fact many people my generation would not like to find out there kid is gay. Maybe it is differnt now an I hope so but in my day gay peoples stayed in the closet for a reason. Hate me report me again if you wanna but facts are facts.

 

[Siro]

It looks like that loser who's been playing Boris for the past couple of years is thinking of retiring the character.

 

[green]

There is a reason why over 70% of the Church's youth go inactive and it's not the parents fault, no matter how hard the 12 try to tell you that.

My church does a lot of good, but when it comes to social issues and being Christlike to others...We are too often too far behind where we should be.

We are always the last to welcome others, when we should be the first.

But, that's a symptom of too much money tied up in the hands of old men afraid of change.

 

[The Thriller]

There is a reason why over 70% of the Church's youth go inactive and it's not the parents fault, no matter how hard the 12 try to tell you that.

My church does a lot of good, but when it comes to social issues and being Christlike to others...We are too often too far behind where we should be.

We are always the last to welcome others, when we should be the first.

But, that's a symptom of too much money tied up in the hands of old men afraid of change.

It was either Elder Holland or Pres Hinckley a few years ago who gave a talk during GC regarding criticism that leadership had received. He explained that some complained that the entire (15 members) church leadership were all old men. The critique was that these old men were out of touch. To which he deflected, "isn't that great? That means we have an abundance of experience!" The audience gave a chuckle. But I remember, the point still remained. experience is great but if you're disconnected from the wants, needs, and concerns of your audience, what good is the experience?

Later that conference I remember hearing talks regarding the youth of the church and how they weren't marrying young enough. Lack of faith, not simple economics, seemed to be the cause of the youth marrying later and having smaller families.

Subsequent battles with the church intruding in civil rights, Utahs alcohol laws, and seemingly endless tone deaf talks about gays, seems to reaffirm the criticism about the lack of diversity and progesssive thinking in the church's leadership.

I don't necessarily believe that the church needs to change its doctrine on gay marriage. But they could certainly do themselves a solid by refraining in degrading married gays as "counterfeit marriages." Hell, everytime packer spoke he seemed to desire to antogonize the LGBT community and gain headlines for himself. Much of this could be mediated if the church looked outside the 60+ age, Wasatch front, millionaire country club for leadership.

Again, what good is experience when you live in a such a confined bubble? You're a worldwide church now, show it in your leadership.

 

[green]

Another problem with the leadership, is too many have little to no real world experience.

Oaks has experience outside the church but spent a large portion of his career an employee of the church.

Hales was 44 when he started full time church employment.

Holland spent his whole career working for the church.

Cook worked outside the church, but looks like he might have been shady as hell.

Andersen was 38 when started full time church employment.

Eyering has spent most of his career employed by the church.

Monson was basically employed by the church his whole career.

Then you throw in how many of these guys are cousins.

Then you throw in the lavish lifestyles these guys live...

It's easy to see how you can become so disconnected with reality.

Some real King Noah stuff here.

 

[colton]

Then you throw in the lavish lifestyles these guys live...

Elder Packer lived in my parents' stake. He certainly didn't live a lavish lifestyle. If I recall correctly the "MormonLeaks" document dealing with salary info had the GAs making substantially less than comparable positions in the business world. Yes, here's the article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...umps-four-new-documents-about-LDS-Church.html. "The records report that the church provided about $90,000 to President Eyring in 2000. A second document posted on Monday, a letter from the faith's Presiding Bishopric to Elder Bruce D. Porter on Jan. 2, 2014, appears to be a memo stating that "the General Authority base living allowance has been increased from $116,400 to $120,000." $120K doesn't seem all that lavish to me, but perhaps YMMV.

 

[Boris]

Another problem with the leadership, is too many have little to no real world experience.

Oaks has experience outside the church but spent a large portion of his career an employee of the church.

Hales was 44 when he started full time church employment.

Holland spent his whole career working for the church.

Cook worked outside the church, but looks like he might have been shady as hell.

Andersen was 38 when started full time church employment.

Eyering has spent most of his career employed by the church.

Monson was basically employed by the church his whole career.

Then you throw in how many of these guys are cousins.

Then you throw in the lavish lifestyles these guys live...

It's easy to see how you can become so disconnected with reality.

Some real King Noah stuff here.

My gosh. Are you gonna go off next ranting bout how the Mormons Inc owns 40 billion dollars? You know it is all mainly in church dwellings an farmland right? They are a food storage church they own enough food to feed there people for two years. Hell I don't pay no damn tithing an they fed my bum *** one winter when I was hard up. Ever since than I been working trade or hunting an fishing for most my food an give most all my foodsnaps to those in need around me. The local church house recorder I think he is called an the relief society president come to me from time to time an we go shopping for groceries. I never ask who there for an don't wanna know anyway. Some of em also let me grow corn n stuff on there unused garden to.

I bet you besides from givin tithing an fast offerings from there stipend they do tons of charity without you ever knowing.

 

[green]

Rant and rave all you want, but what I say is true.

I'd put eating at $40+ plate dinners, private planes, free cars, top medical care, free education for family, and so on pretty lavish.

Plus $120,000 cash on top of that?

I'd bet those families paying 10% based off a $35,000 salary would think that's pretty amazing.

 

[green]

The simple fact that their first response is blaming the parents shows how out of touch they are.

 

[LogGrad98]

Elder Packer lived in my parents' stake. He certainly didn't live a lavish lifestyle. If I recall correctly the "MormonLeaks" document dealing with salary info had the GAs making substantially less than comparable positions in the business world. Yes, here's the article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...umps-four-new-documents-about-LDS-Church.html. "The records report that the church provided about $90,000 to President Eyring in 2000. A second document posted on Monday, a letter from the faith's Presiding Bishopric to Elder Bruce D. Porter on Jan. 2, 2014, appears to be a memo stating that "the General Authority base living allowance has been increased from $116,400 to $120,000." $120K doesn't seem all that lavish to me, but perhaps YMMV.

Most families to earn that amount will have to have 2 incomes. Yet in GC Hinkley said we should not rely on 2 incomes to live a lifestyle. Wonder if that tone would have been different if he didn't already get double-income money.

I am not saying they shouldn't get their stipend, although it does fly in the face of everything we are taught to say as missionaries (no paid clergy, etc.). However it does say something about being out of touch.