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Why Lindsey should do NOTHING until July 1st

Jack Strop

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Yes, Utah has cap space. But everyone clamoring for Utah to do something...anything to use it up fails to see the implications for 2017/18.

1. Are there any trades that move the needle for Hayward? Only two, IMO: getting Love or Paul George. And neither are going to happen. Utah likely would have to be the third team in a Cleveland/Indiana/Utah triangle. There's nothing, short of Gobert, that would convince either team to deal with Utah right now. Indiana can get better assets elsewhere.

2. Using cap space to take on a bad deal? Worst decision Lindsey could make.

We know Hayward wants Hill to return. That might be what he hopes to see Lindsey do by July 3rd: agree to terms with Hill (contingent on Hayward signing).

If Utah retains Hill, Hayward and Ingles, signs Teodosic (or another player for the MLE) - and offloads Mack, Withey and Diaw (don't pick up his option), the payroll could be $130M-$135M. There simply isn't room for another big or even medium contract. Utah is likely very willing to pay the tax THIS year to keep Hayward. But they won't be a repeat offender. So they're going to have to get under the tax in at least 2 of the subsequent 3 seasons. They do that by not re-signing Favs, trying to dump Alec and then maybe parting with Exum or Hood (although I think they'd like to fit both under the tax).

Hayward sitting down on July 3rd with Utah indicates, to me, that he is leaning towards re-signing. He just wants to make sure Lindsey has made some moves first. Lindsey took step 1 by tendering a QO to Ingles. Step 2 is the rumor of Teodosic. The icing on the cake would be to tell Hayward that George Hill has agreed to terms.

If DL added a PG (like Rubio), that ends the chance of Hill coming to terms. Add another wing (?) and does that send Ingles elsewhere? That leaves PF. And I can't see any "gettable" player whose team is motivated enough to deal with Utah before July 1st.

Hopefully, Hill can shop the market for a couple of days, circle back with Gordon and Lindsey and agree to a contract in the 4/$80M range. It's an overpay, but the Jazz do it to keep Gordon. If he wants more, Dennis appeals to Gordon's common sense, and trades for Rubio.
 
Whatever the Jazz do should be discussed openly with Hayward first, rather than trying to second guess what he wants.
 
Scenario 2.
If worst case scenario happens, Jazz can renounce all holds, withdraw QO from Ingles and get down to about $70M, I believe. Lindsey can go after a free agent or two.

Scenario 3: Still maintain holds, including QO for Ingles. Not pursue a FA to replace Hayward, but explore trades using Diaw's contract + other assets. Would also have the MLE to use on Teodosic.
 
Lindsay should text Hayward the kissing emoji. Show him you care and are thinking about him. My girlfriend explained this to me tonight.

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Whatever the Jazz do should be discussed openly with Hayward first, rather than trying to second guess what he wants.

I agree. And I think it very likely Lindsey HAS reached out to Hayward. They can still talk right up until the moment he opts out. At that point, IINM, they can't speak again until July 1st. I'm hopeful this communication led to Gordon setting up his free agent visits like he did. It gives Dennis time to talk with Hill and Ingles.

In any case, what I was trying to show is the best course of action may be to NOT make trades now. Do nothing to jeopardize the feasibility of signing Hill and Ingles. Keeping those two, THEN adding a player with the MLE may be what convinces Gordon to stay.
 
I'd do a small deal too... like Aminu/Harkless from Porty or something along those lines. I'd wait on PG and try to bring back Hill... we will have a ton of options to address that need if it doesn't work out. I think we get him on a decent bargain relative to where we offered midseason.
 
I agree. And I think it very likely Lindsey HAS reached out to Hayward. They can still talk right up until the moment he opts out. At that point, IINM, they can't speak again until July 1st. I'm hopeful this communication led to Gordon setting up his free agent visits like he did. It gives Dennis time to talk with Hill and Ingles.

In any case, what I was trying to show is the best course of action may be to NOT make trades now. Do nothing to jeopardize the feasibility of signing Hill and Ingles. Keeping those two, THEN adding a player with the MLE may be what convinces Gordon to stay.


Yes the fact that he hasn't opted out yet is a good sign... although as we learned today no one really waits to discuss free agency in the NBA.
 
Whatever the Jazz do should be discussed openly with Hayward first, rather than trying to second guess what he wants.
I absolutely hate this notion. Hayward is a player. DL is the GM. I don't think the Jazz need to ask for Hayward's permission to make moves.

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I absolutely hate this notion. Hayward is a player. DL is the GM. I don't think the Jazz need to ask for Hayward's permission to make moves.

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I don't think you ask him for permission, as much as you keep him informed on what your thinking is. Decisions all fall to DL. I don't think you ever make a decision based on what a player wants. . . but you do take it into consideration.
 
It isn't enough to run all decisions by him. They should hire at least 5 classy hookers to service Hayward around the clock. I mean, if they really appreciate him as a player.
 
"Hey Gordon, you're one of our franchise players and we want to make you happy here. So we're not going to run anything by you, ok? Great."
Hey Gordon, we did everything you wanted... hey wait... Gordon, where are you going?... We built this team to make you happy, if you leave none of this makes any sense... nooooooooo

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Lindsay should text Hayward the kissing emoji. Show him you care and are thinking about him. My girlfriend explained this to me tonight.

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Nah, he should send him the eggplant emoji.
 
I absolutely hate this notion. Hayward is a player. DL is the GM. I don't think the Jazz need to ask for Hayward's permission to make moves.

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You are making a huge leap from discussing something with a franchise player to getting permission. Not the same thing at all. Unless you are LeBron and think you run everything. Still a very good idea to chat with Gordon and Rudy on potential moves.
 
Don't worry bros
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