Rubio traded to Jazz

[Bawse Dawg]

In the vacuum of getting Rubio for a 1st round non-lottery pick I think it's a great deal.

Ricky Rubio playing on the slowest paced team who starts two traditional big men, that just doesnt sound good.

When we trade Favors + more for Millsap you will understand.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I like Rubio's value over that pick regardless what OKC does. I'm honestly super excited about the move, but I was just saying losing that asset might make it tougher to dump Burks.

Utah could easily just use their own pick to dump him, if they wanted to go that route, which I doubt. I don't think that is an issue at all.

 

[framer]

So, Who won the Kanter for Rubio trade?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When we trade Favors + more for Millsap you will understand.

The Jazz did this move to save money. Color me surprised if we go out and pay for Paul Millsap.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Holy ****, Rubio has over 2 million twitter followers.

 

[kabenac]

If so, Jazz are really counting on slo mo joe to step it up.

He just needs to continue doing what he does - shoot a high percentage from three, hustle and play defense. If he can improve any facets of his game that's simply icing on the cake.

 

[mrob]

I doubt this trade will have any effect on Hayward staying or going. Hayward is a smart guy. Sure he wants the Jazz to make every effort to retain Hill, but he knows that having 70% of the salary cap tied up in himself, Gobert, and Hill is not winning combination. This is good move whether or not Hill stays and, honestly, whether or not Hayward stays.

If Hayward leaves, it's simply because he wants to go. Hopefully that's not the case. While everyone in the media has something to say about it, the man himself has said very little.

Hopefully, he knows that the team 1) is trying to retain Hill for a reasonable salary, and 2) is trying to improve at PG. If that's not enough, it's probably an excuse and he wanted to leave regardless.

 

[enchilada_style]

My god they had a dude come on 1280 that said IT was younger and better than Rudy.

 

[Miggs]

Wait, what? Rubio is one of the best ball distributors and ball handlers in the league. He's not a shooter, but we're not bringing him here for his shooting.

That's great. We better be starting Joe Johnson over Favors then. Because our shooting will be a joke otherwise.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

The Jazz did this move to save money. Color me surprised if we go out and pay for Paul Millsap.

Ehhh. That's not how I look at it.

Jazz did it because it was an obvious move to make.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I doubt this trade will have any effect on Hayward staying or going. Hayward is a smart guy. Sure he wants the Jazz to make every effort to retain Hill, but he knows that having 70% of the salary cap tied up in himself, Gobert, and Hill is not winning combination. This is good move whether or not Hill stays and, honestly, whether or not Hayward stays.

If Hayward leaves, it's simply because he wants to go. Hopefully that's not the case. While everyone in the media has something to say about it, the man himself has said very little.

Hopefully, he knows that the team 1) is trying to retain Hill for a reasonable salary, and 2) is trying to improve at PG. If that's not enough, it's probably an excuse and he wanted to leave regardless.

I dont see how it couldn't. How good the teams are is the primary factor in his decision. He has to make a judgement on Rubio's fit with the Jazz, which I'm sure is what Monday's meeting is going to be all about, convincing Hayward of the plan with Rubio.

 

[MT Steve]

Food for thought: Minnesota didn't have much in the way of shooting last year either, and their offense on a per possession basis was even better than ours.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think this is a (serious) mistake. The grade for the offseason is an A if Gordon stays and an F if he leaves.

If Hayward re-signs, great. But I'm pretty sure Hill is a Timberwolf now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ehhh. That's not how I look at it.

Jazz did it because it was an obvious move to make.

They bowed out of Hill, who is a proven winner and perfect fit with the Jazz because they didnt want to get in a bidding war with San Antonio (and whoever else may have wanted Hill).

Of course they will paint it as a pure basketball decision, but it signals financial doubt.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

If Hayward leaves which I suspect he will, don't condemn the front office for signing Rubio instead of Hill. That demand was just window dressing as far as I see it, and Hayward was going to do his thing regardless. Got a topnotch point guard for nothing next year as opposed to overpaying for a guy that played 26 fewer games last year due to injury with a lot more tread miles on him as well. This is the the Jazz way and I for one commend them for not being hornswaggled into becoming possibly the next Nets or Knicks contract debacle.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Food for thought: Minnesota didn't have much in the way of shooting last year either, and their offense on a per possession basis was even better than ours.

And neither will the Jazz if Hayward leaves. The Wolves also started two bigs who could step out and hit midrange shots, with KAT being able to hit 3's.

 

[NUMBERICA]

God damn it. I really don't like this. This has bad spelled all over it.

By the way, if Hayward's gone? Cool. Great. We have Ricky Rubio. Awesome.

 

[fishonjazz]

How does this free up cap space?

Less $$ than Hill I think

 

[NUMBERICA]

If Hayward leaves which I suspect he will, don't condemn the front office for signing Rubio instead of Hill. That demand was just window dressing as far as I see it, and Hayward was going to do his thing regardless. Got a topnotch point guard for nothing next year as opposed to overpaying for a guy that played 26 fewer games last year due to injury with a lot more tread miles on him as well. This is the the Jazz way and I for one commend them for not being hornswaggled into becoming possible the next Nets or Knicks contract debacle.

I would bet you every dollar I could ever make for the rest of my life the Jazz wouldn't sign Hill without having Hayward in tow. That makes absolutely no sense.

That package deal, by the way, the one that was one of the few certain advantages in negotiations? They just lost that.

 

[fishonjazz]

I view this as trading Hill for Rubio. I don't really care about the pick. Hill much better fit. Cy hit nail on the head about Jefferson trade. I wanted Boozer to walk and let Millsap step up. I'm never a big fan of acquiring talent that doesn't fit just to acquire talent. I think the fit of Hill is worth $7M more per year. We lack shooting and now have 30 mins per game of someone who can't shoot (coupled with Gobert). If someone can reference the last time this franchise had any moderate success with a PG who couldn't shoot.

One thing no one is talking about cause no one could really know is the chance that Hayward prefers rubio over hill.

We all heard reports that Hayward really likes hill and wants him back. But it's not like we have heard one way or tyne other about Hayward's feeling about rubio. Maybe DL asked hayward what he thinks of rubio and hayward said that he has been a huge rubio fan forever and would love to play with rubio. Maybe hayward flat out told DL that he would rather have rubio than hill.

No one knows really. I'm gonna trust DL for now.