Rubio traded to Jazz

[Bawse Dawg]

God damn it. I really don't like this. This has bad spelled all over it.

By the way, if Hayward's gone? Cool. Great. We have Ricky Rubio. Awesome.

Opposed to, if Hayward's gone? Cool. Great. We have a lotto protected pick next year. Awesome.

 

[My2Cents]

I think this is a (serious) mistake. The grade for the offseason is an A if Gordon stays and an F if he leaves.

If Hayward re-signs, great. But I'm pretty sure Hill is a Timberwolf now.

Don't think so. Sounds more like Teague to Minnesota.

 

[fishonjazz]

Dont get too excited guys. This dude has more injuries than Hill

Played in 75 games last year. Of course you will always find the negative in everything. Good job.
(Also played in 76 games the great before last and played in all 82 one year)

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I would bet you every dollar I could ever make for the rest of my life the Jazz wouldn't sign Hill without having Hayward in tow. That makes absolutely no sense.

That package deal, by the way, the one that was one of the few certain advantages in negotiations? They just lost that.

So how does that work exactly, on a promise and a prayer?

 

[fishonjazz]

We might as well open the Kiss Hayward Goodbye thread. What an unmitigated disaster! I absolutely hate this. And we gave them a first round pick for the pleasure of clearing space for them. WOW!

We might as well calm down

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah, on paper we got him for nothing. In reality, we got him by closing the door for Hill (and possibly Hayward).

Maybe the door for hill was already closed doe?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Opposed to, if Hayward's gone? Cool. Great. We have a lotto protected pick next year. Awesome.

Yeah, I'd much rather have that. And the salary. I'd want to mothball Gobert and tank too because treadmilling is *********.

 

[fishonjazz]

How could Hill be in our plans? Assuming we re-sign Hill, Hayward and Ingles we are already over the luxury tax assuming 1) Diaw is waived and 2) Burks is dealt for nothing. Then add in Rubio at $14M. Yeah, Hill ain't coming back unless the Millers are now Paul Allen.

Is there a no trade clause with this acquisition of rubio?

 

[NUMBERICA]

So how does that work exactly, on a promise and a prayer?

Better than Hayward being checked out before he even sits down on Monday.

The Jazz know a lot that we don't so... hooray for that.

 

[fishonjazz]

In before rubio only plays the same amount of games or less than Hill

Of course you are. Negative nancy. Shad gonna shad

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Pros:
-Unique player
-Fun to watch because of creativity with handle and passing ability
-Adds new element of defense the Jazz lack with disruptive ability to play passing lanes
-Should influence the Jazz to play with a faster pace
-Decent enough FT rate despite lack of scoring ability (and an upper tier FT shooter)
-Respectable pull-up game from midrange
-Perfect age with rest of core

Cons:
-Can't finish around the rim
-Poor spot-up shooter
-Injury history

 

[baka98]

Anybody see Pelton's grade on the trade and report?

 

[fishonjazz]

Not I. I only wanted it used to upgrade the team.

You think simply adding rubio for, let's say mack, is a not an improvement? Tough crowd.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Maybe the door for hill was already closed doe?

Or maybe they thought he doesn't deserve to be paid like a top 5 point guard in the league, which is true.

I love Hayward and hope he stays. But if he would really leave because we didn't give Hill a contract.. the dude is not LeBron James. We have been a very good organization for him. We've built a team around him, we can offer him generational wealth.

If he says "I'd be more interested in returning if the PG situation was more settled" awesome.

If he says "Sign my boy to a contract he doesn't deserve or I'm out" ehhhhh.

 

[MT Steve]

And neither will the Jazz if Hayward leaves. The Wolves also started two bigs who could step out and hit midrange shots, with KAT being able to hit 3's.

It's very obviously another matter entirely if Hayward leaves.

My point was that Utah's offense would be fine if Hayward stays. It was close to league average during the games Hill missed, and Rubio is still a significant upgrade to a team's offense compared to the likes of Mack/Neto/Exum.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

They bowed out of Hill, who is a proven winner and perfect fit with the Jazz because they didnt want to get in a bidding war with San Antonio (and whoever else may have wanted Hill).

Of course they will paint it as a pure basketball decision, but it signals financial doubt.

You want 70% of the cap committed to Hill, Hayward, and Gobert?

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Rubio/Exum/Neto/Marshall all backing up George Hill. We're the Twolves now.

 

[NAOS]

[MENTION=2417]Bawse Dawg[/MENTION], [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION], and [MENTION=3123]Cappy_Smurf[/MENTION] are totally dominating this thread.

I cannot believe how many people are rushing to judgment. And then there's the quality of insight in those rushed judgments: awful. ****ing awful.

 

[baka98]

According to the CARMELO ratings, Rubio is a better guard to play with over IT and Dragic.
Another selling point to Hayward.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

They bowed out of Hill, who is a proven winner and perfect fit with the Jazz because they didnt want to get in a bidding war with San Antonio (and whoever else may have wanted Hill).

Of course they will paint it as a pure basketball decision, but it signals financial doubt.

Nope. Several reasons: Getting the best value out of a pick before it plummets and at the same time using that cap space to add an asset instead of wasting it. Also insurance if Hill just falt out picks SA. Hayward isn't going to wait around for a month for Utah to negotiate with Hill, only to lose out and then re-sign Shelvin Mack.

Utah is in a really bad spot in regards to re-signing Hill. This way they have some insurance, and could still re-sign Hill and dump Rubio at the trade deadline to avoid the tax.

This wasn't about saving money. At all.