Do you feel the front office is to blame?

[fishonjazz]

Let's see how magnanimous everyone is once the season starts and The Jazz struggle to score 85 points every night.

Kind of a dumb thing to say. I don't think any team in history has ever averaged 85 points or less per game. The worst most tankiest philly team from a few years ago scored over 85 ppg with ease.

The jazz, like every team in the NBA, is full of NBA players.

 

[enchilada_style]

I do know that many here did not want to max Gordon 3 years ago now we are after DL for having the same concerns about maxing Gordon. The only thing that 4th year would do for us is delay the inevitable. The silver lining is that now we can get a better feel for what Hood is capable of.

 

[gomretat]

Giving Gordon a max deal last round without letting him test the market made no sense at all at the time and using 20/20 hindsight to criticize the decision makes even less sense. Gordon made a decision that defies logic from an economic and basketball standpoint. The things the Jazz FO could control they did a great job of controlling. There is some underlying rationale that Gordon is using to leave Utah but nothing that could be controlled by the Jazz. Maybe his wife really wants to live in Boston. And the thought that we trade our best player the year before they are eligible to leave simply means you have no chance at building a winner. This one hurts but time to move on.

 

[CALJAZZFAN]

Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe we should have traded him last year when he still had value. The FO must have thought there was some possibility of him staying. Maybe they thought winning would help, but I think he wanted out no matter what, so part of me things the FO should have had some idea. Who knows, perhaps they considered dealing him. All the rumors and whispers about him wanting to go to Boston were true, so perhaps the FO should have tried to salvage some value. This sucks, but we'll be fine without the primadonna.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Would you have matched Charlotte's offer though?

No buts or if, just yes or no.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

If we had Gallinari, Frank Mason & Donovan Mitchel/(Malik Monk) right now would we be sad? That's the team we'd have right now. If I were the GM

true, true

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Fans are to blame with their dumb letter the stayward billboards

Front Office is to blame with putting all their eggs in the Hayward basket

Quin is to blame for not playing the young players in the playoffs allowing them to feel the playoff feeling

Jazz development team is to blame for focusing on old Joe Ingles and Hayward

The media is to blame because they had Haywards junk in their mind that not one of them until now have written anything but Hayward fluff pieces to further drive fans to be irrational on Hayward's value.

I'm not to blame because once again my Mission has been Accomplished!

[video=youtube_share;48H34ukFe8g]https://youtu.be/48H34ukFe8g

 

[fishonjazz]

Would you have matched Charlotte's offer though?

No buts or if, just yes or no.

No. I didn't want them to match that offer. I was very vocal about it. (Though with hindsight matching was the right move and I was wrong. Haywood was worth that contract. The money we paid him never hurt the jazz)

I was also very vocal about wanting to trade Haywood for a top 3 pick last year (might have even been able to get more on top of the draft pick).

 

[Mission Accomplished]

No. I didn't want them to match that offer. I was very vocal about it. (Though with hindsight matching was the right move and I was wrong. Haywood was worth that contract. The money we paid him never hurt the jazz)

I was also very vocal about wanting to trade Haywood for a top 3 pick last year (might have even been able to get more on top of the draft pick).

Come on you can't tell me that you were on the Mission Accomplished train. YOu were back an forth for he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

 

[kabenac]

To some degree. After all, a few years ago sellout did sign with another team and we matched it. That should have been a clue.

And some of the blame goes to sellout in that he should have let us know he was still in love with his college crush so we could at least trade him or sign players earlier in free agency.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Would you have matched Charlotte's offer though?

No buts or if, just yes or no.

It goes beyond that. Hayward was willing to extend early in the season for a slight discount off the max, and the Jazz said no. It should never have gotten to the offer from Charlotte. So after they put themselves in the pickle, yes, I wanted them to match Charlotte, but I never wanted them to get to that spot in the first place.

 

[Coach Ellis]

No. I didn't want them to match that offer. I was very vocal about it. (Though with hindsight matching was the right move and I was wrong. Haywood was worth that contract. The money we paid him never hurt the jazz)

I was also very vocal about wanting to trade Haywood for a top 3 pick last year (might have even been able to get more on top of the draft pick).

Boston would have gone all Lakers and PG13 on us. They weren't going to trade anything of value for a guy they were confident they could get without paying assets for. I'm actually fine with them keeping him and competing for the playoffs this year with the team they had. It was fun as hell and Hayward was a big part of that. I'd have rather had him come out right away and say Boston was his preferred destination and Utah just focus its efforts elsewhere this offseason. Still think we keep Jingles and add Rubio in that scenario. We'll see how it shakes out, but I'm hoping Hood and Mitchell take the initiative to assume Hayward's scoring role. JJ, Jingles and Exum on the bench is solid and I don't think that the Jazz are done making moves yet. Still have to see what they decide to do with Favors, Burks and Diaw.

 

[fishonjazz]

Come on you can't tell me that you were on the Mission Accomplished train. YOu were back an forth for he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Actually, I didn't want them to match that charlotte offer. I was very vocal about it. (Though with hindsight matching was the right move and I was wrong. Haywood was worth that contract. The money we paid him never hurt the jazz)

I was also very vocal about wanting to trade Haywood for a top 3 pick last year (might have even been able to get more on top of the draft pick).

Wasn't on any dumbass mission accomplished train though and think of you as a horrible poster.

 

[jazzlurker]

The only one to blame is GH. This whole thing was orchestrated to avoid the tampering relationship that Stevens had with GH. Jazz front office is professional and won't make an accusation. Time to move on. GH is irrelevant now and we should treat him that way. He was a good player, but a tier below the statues and the rest of the stars in the league.

Tennis players don't rely on a team. They ultimately only rely on themselves. GH proved that "his" legacy, "his" fame, and "his" pocketbook are the only thing that matter. He'll get his shoe deal. He'll get his "whatever he is looking for".

 

[Game6Conley]

55-60 win team with just 2 key players healthy, let alone all the other injuries like doucheward missing the first month.

If you put together a team capable of winning that much and somebody wants to claim incompetence, that's when you start ignoring their posts and autonegging.

Did not read OP other than I say yes. Betting 95% of posters do same.

I think you mean 51 wins and the 5th seed. Is that the goal though or is it winning championships? I'm confused, it seems you have extremely low standards. "If we play slightly above .500 every few years that means we're competent..hooray!!"


If you wont read the OP you shouldn't even be in this thread. You're basically just here to demonstrate your denial, which is great, thanks for that, helps reinforce my point.

 

[Game6Conley]

Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe we should have traded him last year when he still had value. The FO must have thought there was some possibility of him staying. Maybe they thought winning would help, but I think he wanted out no matter what, so part of me things the FO should have had some idea. Who knows, perhaps they considered dealing him. All the rumors and whispers about him wanting to go to Boston were true, so perhaps the FO should have tried to salvage some value. This sucks, but we'll be fine without the primadonna.

Is this the first I've spoken of this LOL???? Don't you get it? I've been calling this shot all along...

 

[Game6Conley]

Not at all. This is on Hayward.

Part of being in management is being prepared. The front office failed royally at this.

 

[BENTLEY]

Would you have matched Charlotte's offer though?

No buts or if, just yes or no.

I was against matching Charlotte's offer. But I was against drafting Hayward in the first place.

I'm happy he's gone. It woulda been better to get something for him though. FO made a mistake there. They made that mistake many times over the years with Hayward though. All I can think is it was wishful thinking that he really liked us even though he never gave any indication of that.

 

[Game6Conley]

nah trade him to the Celtics .. they've got that smug self satisfied air he excels in

Ask yourself this; would I be here saying I told you so if I wasn't right all along?


???

I told ya so..


So many of the posters who berated me won't even show their faces in this thread. Thats really the only satisfying part of it, those who once threw stones are now hiding their hands.

 

[franklin]

I say yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCQHCOls2E

Here's why;

Blaming (Scapegoating) Hayward is all well and good, what about the people paid to obviate issues such as these? Where was the clairvoyance thats worthy of big-bucks and fancy titles?

They aren't the victims of some elaborate deception, they're just plain old ****ing patsys.. If urine management and poop goes haywire on your watch, you're accountable. No??? "I didn't see it coming" is not an acceptable excuse...

Don't tell me the whole lot of them are absolved.. They put their eggs in the wrong basket, and have totally thrown off the teams trajectory in the process. It was by choice, their hands were NOT forced. They opted for this volatility instead of angling for steady progress thru player development. You can argue they still have young players to develop, the point is WHY DON'T THEY HAVE MORE?!

They traded long-term assets for short term fixes that didn't get the job done, and got left with the bill..

Like I've been saying for years; they overplayed their hand. C'mon now.. They obviously did. This is not all on Hayward, you didn't have to be Miss Cleo to see this coming, the first time he was a free agent he signed elsewhere too.

They balked at countless opportunities to return great assets (PLAY IT SAFE) for Hayward(Suns reportedly offered the 4th and 13th pick in last years draft) in turn for a chance to (GAMBLE) re-sign him, and they failed, Thats the story here.


I told you all, I'd have done a better job, what the front office has done here is very, very very far from impressive (How many assets have been spent on PG's since the Trey Burke fiasco??!?!?!?... the team would be loaded with young talent, instead it's got these vets brought in to appease a player thats not even here(this is like LeBron telling Miami to draft Shabazz Napier all over again) and some pretty good semi-young players that deserve better.


Lets also not forget just how absurd it was to be in 'win-now' mode with the Warriors in the west in the first place................................ What were they thinking? what were they smoking? what kool-aid were they drinking? I feel like if Scrappy Doo was the GM, these are the kind of moves he'd make. All for what too?!? to get demolished by the Warriors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG8dgN6x2EA

If I was the owners I'd fire everyone. How do you look back on these last 2 summers and not just think about how wasteful this all was? For what too? Hayward didn't break any rules, he did what he wanted to do, which he's got the right to. Why the front office didn't ensure a return on the investment is a whole different story.

It's simple. They cater to simplistic fans' desires as a marketing ploy instead of caring to win.

Fans will only be fooled for so long before figuring it out and jumping ship.