What does Hayward have to do his rookie season to be considered at least a decent pick?

[richgates]

I don't see much Harpring in this kid, but he could prove me wrong, but I do see the Hornacek-like stroke from midrange. Plus being 6'8" and having his hops, he shouldn't have a problem getting open looks. I am curious to see how his court vision and ball handling ability gives us more flexibility in the offense. If he can play defense position defense, he should be able to at least make it harder for opposing wings to score because of his size.

 

[The-Joker]

Well first he needs to beat out Matt Saracen for starting QB on the Dillon Panthers (because he looks exactly like that kid on Friday Night Lights)

THen he needs to knock up a Kardashian.

It wouldn't hurt if he shot 45% from deep.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

To be considered a decent pick, he simply needs to be part of the rotation by the end of the year.I'm not putting numbers as a qualifier, just earning Sloan's confidence. That's all he has to do. This season.

I think we're pretty much saying the same thing here - and Matthews showed how it's done. Play smart, defend, make the open shot, run the floor and you will earn Sloan's confidence and get playing time. While I don't like Hayward as the 9th pick in the draft, he is capable of doing those things. Again, I don't think he's quite as skilled or as gifted athletically as Matthews, but he plays hard and seems to understand how to play.

As you mentioned, if he can do that, his rookie year will be a success.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

I really see Hayward as AK's replacement, and while I think Gordon will probably always be a liability on Defense (that's why it's so important to build a defensive front court at the 4 and 5 spot), I think he will become everything AK could never be offensively. His midrange game is already better than AK's, his ball handling is already better and I'm willing to bet his court vision is already better and if not, it certainly will be.

Add to that his work ethic and "yes sir" mentality and I think he has the perfect recipe for success in a Jazz system that puts premiums on sharing the ball, moving without the ball and rewarding players who hustle.

So while it may sound strange (especially in this forum) as a Jazz fan, I'm not quite ready to jump off a cliff. There is certainly a hell of a lot of work to be done at the 4 and 5 spot. Maybe too much work to fix everything this offseason. But with that being said, I just don't see Utah heading into the start of the season with KK and Fess as our 2 centers. I've never called for KOC's head, but if he allows that to happen, Utah should fire his *** on the spot.

 

[Shaggy]

Get traded in a package for Favors or Cousins.

+1 for humor.


If he can knock down the matt harpring curl play.

 

[VINYLONE]

Seriously, who the **** knows. I mean, the kid is so young he's really not going to do much. And even if he does, one season does not make a player. Fine he has one great year, but what about the next. And we know what I mean by a great season. Consistent shooting, decent defense, fluid movement without the ball. It doesnt take a genius to understand that.

That said, the kid is going to be AWS. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

 

[Shaggy]

^^^^^ "****" This.

 

[InGameStrategy]

I really see Hayward as AK's replacement, and while I think Gordon will probably always be a liability on Defense (that's why it's so important to build a defensive front court at the 4 and 5 spot), I think he will become everything AK could never be offensively.

Unfortunately AK was known for his defense, so unless Hayward can exceed AK's productivity on offense, Hayward will have to match AK's impact on defense. Looks like you think that he will do better on O--at least from the perimeter. However, I think that it's a stretch to say that Hayward will replace Kirilenko. IMHO, the reasonable projection of Hayward is a better-defending, slightly worse-shooting Korver. In other words, Utah blew a top-10 pick on a backup instead of a future starter (Davis or maybe George). May he exceed those expectations.

Add to that his work ethic and "yes sir" mentality and I think he has the perfect recipe for success in a Jazz system that puts premiums on sharing the ball, moving without the ball and rewarding players who hustle.

One problem with Sloan is that he sometimes rewards effort (see Harpring) or leadership (see Fisher) over results. It's silly that a team should draft with that bias in mind, but it's clear to me that Utah took into account Haywards "character." They did heavy background checks, and KOC or Rigby said that everyone they talked to said that he was the kind of guy that they would want on their team. It sounds like they were referring as much to getting along as getting it done. I care more about him doing the latter.

So while it may sound strange (especially in this forum) as a Jazz fan, I'm not quite ready to jump off a cliff. There is certainly a hell of a lot of work to be done at the 4 and 5 spot. Maybe too much work to fix everything this offseason. But with that being said, I just don't see Utah heading into the start of the season with KK and Fess as our 2 centers. I've never called for KOC's head, but if he allows that to happen, Utah should fire his *** on the spot.

Well, before firing KOC, maybe the coaching staff oughta give Fesenko and maybe KK2 the equivalent of what most big men need for development. Hint: <5 MPG isn't enough.

 

[Hopper]

One problem with Sloan is that he sometimes rewards effort (see Harpring) or leadership (see Fisher) over results. It sounds like they were referring as much to getting along as getting it done.

In your simplistic mindset, one precludes the other, don't it, S2? Not like any player would EVER "get along" with Sloan for even 5 minutes, though.

 

[VINYLONE]

IGS, once again, on point with his post. If you can't see Sloan's shortcomings Mr. Hopper, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Archie Moses]

Is there some type of pill he can take to make his skin black?

 

[VINYLONE]

Wow, you are a fool.

 

[Archie Moses]

Wow, you are a fool.

You got me there, flicker.

 

[Hopper]

Mebbe the biggest problem Sloan presents for the league is that his disease is contageous. Even the greatest coach of all time, Phil Jackson, was overcome by it and was stupid enough to play Fisher's old *** in the playoffs against much quicker, more athletic young point guards.

 

[Ben10]

And Fisher's old *** hit how many clutch shots during there run this year? Yeah I wouldn't have played him ether.

 

[Hopper]

When guys like S2 take to sidin against Sloan and in favor of guys like that lazy-***, no-playin Meech, ya kinda suspect that they are simply representatives of some militantly aggressive gay activist group, ya know? Either that or.....well, I can't think of any other reason, truth be told.

 

[VINYLONE]

Mebbe the biggest problem Sloan presents for the league is that his disease is contageous. Even the greatest coach of all time, Phil Jackson, was overcome by it and was stupid enough to play Fisher's old *** in the playoffs against much quicker, more athletic young point guards.

Hop, you're comparing apples and oranges. Or should I say rings and no rings.

 

[VINYLONE]

When guys like S2 take to sidin against Sloan and in favor of guys like that lazy-***, no-playin Meech, ya kinda suspect that are simply representatives of some militantly agressive gay activist group, ya know? Either that or.....well, I can't think of any other reason, truth be told.

Dealing with absolutes are we?

 

[The-Joker]

And Fisher's old *** hit how many clutch shots during there run this year? Yeah I wouldn't have played him ether.

Ya, but he didn't do it for the Jazz.
He had the one agaisnt GSW... but that game was pretty much in the bag... and that series was not very competitive except for that game.

 

[sirkickyass]

Considering he was a reach for his draft slot he needs to be the best rookie slated 9 or later.