Yes. As much as I hate it, because people are stubborn, it will always eventually fall to violence at one point or another.
Which message(note; not group of people) do you think promotes more violence?
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Yes. As much as I hate it, because people are stubborn, it will always eventually fall to violence at one point or another.
Which message(note; not group of people) do you think promotes more violence?
The Thriller
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Hannity just spent 25 mins claiming that:
- The President was right, both sides were out of line. The media wants to destroy Trump.
- Obama never waited for facts to come out. When he claimed that Trayvon Martin could've been his son, he completely tore the country in half.
- 7,000 Hillary Clinton emails have been found and the FBI should prosecute her.
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One step forward, two steps back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F7HWJkCr-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F7HWJkCr-I
RandyForRubio
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See? You want to give an opinion, but you have no desire to discuss.
Why? Your attitude helps nothing. If everybody thought like you, and unfortunately most do, we'd have a huge divide...and we're heading that way.
RandyForRubio
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I'm just saying that it doesn't have to lead to violence. We shouldn't promote it. We don't need to accept it.
There's no simple way to answer your question, it's nuanced. Have the people saying they lost their country actually lost it? Have the people saying they're not getting a fair shake actually getting g a fair shake? In this case, it's obviously the getting the country back message, but that doesn't mean it would be every time.
♪alt13
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There is a reason we don't let the government regulate or police speach, and it is in the end a good thing for the government not to. That being said do not confuse your or my role as individuals with that of the government.
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Your tolerance of speech by those who's ideology resulted in the extermination of 6 million people is not only gross and disgusting, but troubling.
I'm not. Protest them all day every day. Absolutely. But I oppose using violence to stop speech we don't like. And I don't like their speech, at all.
I strongly disagree. I find their speech vile, offensive and disgusting. But I absolutely support free speech. Even when used to give voice to things I find abominable.
But I also find troubling the call to silence speech that we don't like. Who is the judge of what should be silenced?
Support for free speech and agreement with everything said are two wildly different things.
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Why should I have a discussion with you? What's the point? We never end in resolution or understanding. We just go back and forth and back and forth and I quite frankly i don't have the time to waste.
Hell, I don't even know what we are duscussing/arguing. Neither of us think this and hilter are the same thing. We both think these people have the right to protest.
I simply saw people saying that violence isn't the answer and that ignoring these people will make them go away. I think those are certainly possible.
I simply offered another possibility..... that sometimes violence is the answer and does work and is necessary. Sometimes ignoring a problem makes the problem bigger, bolder, and more problematic.
What is the answer in this instance? I have no idea and never claimed to. Simply offered a different idea to the whole violence doesn't work, non violence does work idea.
And really, I'm very busy at work and shouldn't even be on my phone and don't have time for any more of this discussion so I'm done for now. Hopefully that is acceptable to you. If not, sorry but I'm not responding anymore.
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http://uproxx.com/news/white-supremacist-chris-cantwell-cries-warrant/
This is what happens when society won't put up with your **** anymore. Curl up into a hole and hide, forever. Otherwise, you will be rooted out, crying, and sniveling.
This is what happens when society won't put up with your **** anymore. Curl up into a hole and hide, forever. Otherwise, you will be rooted out, crying, and sniveling.
That is more or less my job description, sometimes violence is necessary, sometimes people will not stop until challenged with force. I'm employed to use violence when negotiation and reason has failed, to make a public space both safe for the people who work there and members of the public who are using the amenity. We have upwards of 7000 violent incidents a year, sometimes using force is for the good of the community.
I understand how you;re trying to process this within the law. Good on you, but I find it cowardly. Sorry to offend, I know I am, but I have to. My conscience does not allow for even the tiniest acceptance of this type of speech, after all we've been through. I will not tolerate it, I will not allow it to victimize me or anyone else, and I will fight (non-violently) those who try to carve out any piece of society for these mongrels.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Where will you draw the line?
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Where will you draw the line?
RandyForRubio
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And who gets to choose what's ok to say and what isn't? Surely you can see the trouble that brings.
It's not cowardly at all. Not even remotely. But I can see how it looks that way.
As for the bold, good!!! Supporting free speech does not mean maintaining silence or feigning agreement. Far from it. It means speaking your mind IMO. YOu (generally speaking) do not have to accept it. I have spoken up before, forcibly, and will so again when I encounter this disgust irl.
But if they are marching, holding a rally or whatever I will not try to shut it down by violence. If I am there I will chant, hold signs, protest and contest but non violently. I won't start the fight. Now if they instigate the violence than I will defend myself.
This is where I feel Trump went wrong, was there violence at this protest? Absolutely. But I feel that in this case it was started by only one side. Then further escalated by that side with the car attack. He should have called them out by name the first time.
Attempts to calm down the growing trend can come later.
vlad tepes
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After reading most of the thread's messages to my wallachian people and based on the old eatern-european medicine tradition and the opinions of our beloved long bearded orthodox priests we came to the next conclusion :
- this board suffers from vaginatis :
- vaginatis is a socially deadly disease caused from the lack of eating red animal meat (we have plenty in our refrigerators, especially bear meat). it is characterized by the manifestation of sores on the skin in the form of tiny vaginas. if it remains untreated the patient may turn into a giant walking [edit].
other symptoms include: hugging trees, joining cults of vaeritas equitas, hypocrisy, visiting art galleries and park statues, playing guitar on the sidewalk, becoming a bichy sluut or an annoying a-hole.
also special greetings jazzfanz, from our spy disguised as a tranny pinko :
'' from Seattle with love''
signed Boris The Soviet Love Hammer
P.S. please read this message out loud in a Borath accent ! thanks
- this board suffers from vaginatis :
- vaginatis is a socially deadly disease caused from the lack of eating red animal meat (we have plenty in our refrigerators, especially bear meat). it is characterized by the manifestation of sores on the skin in the form of tiny vaginas. if it remains untreated the patient may turn into a giant walking [edit].
other symptoms include: hugging trees, joining cults of vaeritas equitas, hypocrisy, visiting art galleries and park statues, playing guitar on the sidewalk, becoming a bichy sluut or an annoying a-hole.
also special greetings jazzfanz, from our spy disguised as a tranny pinko :
'' from Seattle with love''
signed Boris The Soviet Love Hammer
P.S. please read this message out loud in a Borath accent ! thanks
I realize there's a slippery slope, possibly. But this is different. This is about our very soul as a nation. It's in the hands of the people, and we must stand up to the challenge, instead of looking for excuses not to.
There's nothing they(white supremacists) don't have that they did have that they should continue to have exclusively. But they say different.
But we've gotten to the point where protests/counter protests are going to happen until something changes. One group needs to come around. We'd both like to see it peaceably, but that's not the direction is going.
What are we left with? While some will try to consider better ways to convince, the scared and stupid will start physically acting. And it'll just be a matter of time they're all in it.