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[Handlogten's Heros]

Favors has ZERO value to the Lakers. Joe Johnson has ZERO value to the Lakers. They don't need to trade Deng for expiring contracts. What part of that don't you understand? You have to be trying to be this ignorant on the matter. You trolling?

Deng has negative value.

The extend and stretch of Deng would be clear cap circumvention and would likely not be allowed. It is a pure hypothetical. If they asked the league and they said okay they’d catch hell from 29 teams.

That said I do not think Lebron is headed there. If he is they will clear the space then. They could get really close to two max spots by waiving and stretching Deng and offloading clarkson. Could also save some on the fringes with moving guys like Zubac Nance for minimum guys.

Worst case they have PG and Lebron ready to trade and then they move Ingram or Kuzma to offload Lebron.

More likely scenario is they sign PG and DeMarcus for their max deals and I think they only need 30% each for those guys. Lebron say 35% causes issues.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The extend and stretch of Deng would be clear cap circumvention and would likely not be allowed. It is a pure hypothetical. If they asked the league and they said okay they’d catch hell from 29 teams.

That said I do not think Lebron is headed there. If he is they will clear the space then. They could get really close to two max spots by waiving and stretching Deng and offloading clarkson. Could also save some on the fringes with moving guys like Zubac Nance for minimum guys.

Worst case they have PG and Lebron ready to trade and then they move Ingram or Kuzma to offload Lebron.

More likely scenario is they sign PG and DeMarcus for their max deals and I think they only need 30% each for those guys. Lebron say 35% causes issues.

It's allowed. It's not a hypothetical.

The only hypothetical part is if he agrees to it, which would be wild if he didnt because he would get paid more money over the long-run and could sign another contract w/ a team that actually wanted to play him (if that exist).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's allowed. It's not a hypothetical.

The only hypothetical part is if he agrees to it, which would be wild if he didnt because he would get paid more money over the long-run and could sign another contract w/ a team that actually wanted to play him (if that exist).

It’s allowed to extend him but they need to add money and it’s unclear how much they’d have to add to avoid it being deemed cba circumvention which is not allowed. Add too much money and it no longer makes sense.

If I was one of the other owners and I saw them adding a nominal amount of money to a deal in order to turn around and stretch that deal to signthe best player in the league I’d have a problem with the league determining that to not be circumvention.

You think dan Gilbert and other owners that have lost stars will sit on their hands while the nba approves a transaction that is clearly against the general CBA circumvention rules. Silver has a lot of good will but catering to one franchise might lose all that good will with the other 29 franchises.

They would need the transaction to be approved and no one really knows what that will take... extending a guy one week to waive and stretch him before he plays a game would be deemed circumvention in a court of law imo. So that is why I say it’s hypothetical at this point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also consider that you are asking a guy to take either 37 over 5 year’s or say 40 over 11... I’m not sure you’ve added enough to compensate for the time value of money and it’s likely you are going to waive and stretch him either way so the double dipping doesn’t have a huge effect.

3M like pincus suggests may not be enough... and the higher that money gets the less it will make sense. Making a modest 10% on that after tax amount for 6 years is a lot more than $3M. I’d make them add around 10M in guaranteed money for those terms.

 

[Shad]

Cousins, Lonzo, Lebron, and George in LA anyone?

 

[LoPo]

Regardless of how they spin it, Deng is a huge issue for the Lakers the next two seasons after this one. Imagine if the Warriors, Cavs or Rockets had an $18 million player they didnt play. No really good team has stretched a contract that large.

Every player minus maybe LeBron can be gotten via trade. Kuzma seems awesome to LA, but he is not untouchable. Too bad we don't have that OKC 1st or we could have added that asset too.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Regardless of how they spin it, Deng is a huge issue for the Lakers the next two seasons after this one. Imagine if the Warriors, Cavs or Rockets had an $18 million player they didnt play. No really good team has stretched a contract that large.

Every player minus maybe LeBron can be gotten via trade. Kuzma seems awesome to LA, but he is not untouchable. Too bad we don't have that OKC 1st or we could have added that asset too.


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It's a non-issue. HH is being weird. It's a done deal. It's allowed in the CBA. All they have to do it add partial guarantee money on the extension. Everyone knows about this rule. Deng is good enough of a dude someone would get give him a vet minimum contract after the stretch. I bet you Thibs would add him to the Wolves right away.

I repeat its a non-issue. Only way they trade Deng is if some team really falls in love w/ Randle, which would be insane. No one in the league has any grounds to complain as this has been available to anyone doing the stretch provision. Lakers would still be paying him and his contract would still count against their books, just is a less significant, longer term way.

Also, do you really think the league is going to PREVENT the LAKERS from adding stars? That's their cash cow. Lakers do well and are talked about, the NBA gets high ratings.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Deng's contract extended and stretched would be about 4% of their capspace. You clearly have no idea how this works Lopo.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Regardless of how they spin it, Deng is a huge issue for the Lakers the next two seasons after this one. Imagine if the Warriors, Cavs or Rockets had an $18 million player they didnt play. No really good team has stretched a contract that large.

Every player minus maybe LeBron can be gotten via trade. Kuzma seems awesome to LA, but he is not untouchable. Too bad we don't have that OKC 1st or we could have added that asset too.


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The Lakers are looking at adding two max players. The rookie on a super cheap deal averaging 18 ppg is untouchable. How dumb can you be?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also consider that you are asking a guy to take either 37 over 5 year’s or say 40 over 11... I’m not sure you’ve added enough to compensate for the time value of money and it’s likely you are going to waive and stretch him either way so the double dipping doesn’t have a huge effect.

3M like pincus suggests may not be enough... and the higher that money gets the less it will make sense. Making a modest 10% on that after tax amount for 6 years is a lot more than $3M. I’d make them add around 10M in guaranteed money for those terms.

Because he would get signed by another team. It's either take that and be able to go actually play for a team, or rot on a bench. Even if the Lakers went the trade Deng route, he likely gets on a ****** team and never sees the court. He takes the extend/stretch and he can go join Thibs and get minutes/extra money.

There is no way the Lakers dont know if Deng is going to do this or not. I'm sure it's been agreed to internally as the reports say the Lakers are no longer looking into trading Deng (because teams demand Ingram or Kuzma).

Thibs when he sees Luol Deng is a UFA next year.

 

[infection]

It’s allowed to extend him but they need to add money and it’s unclear how much they’d have to add to avoid it being deemed cba circumvention which is not allowed. Add too much money and it no longer makes sense.

If I was one of the other owners and I saw them adding a nominal amount of money to a deal in order to turn around and stretch that deal to signthe best player in the league I’d have a problem with the league determining that to not be circumvention.

You think dan Gilbert and other owners that have lost stars will sit on their hands while the nba approves a transaction that is clearly against the general CBA circumvention rules. Silver has a lot of good will but catering to one franchise might lose all that good will with the other 29 franchises.

They would need the transaction to be approved and no one really knows what that will take... extending a guy one week to waive and stretch him before he plays a game would be deemed circumvention in a court of law imo. So that is why I say it’s hypothetical at this point.

The league has a precedent of favoring teams in CBA circumvention, though. The Lakers included Aaron McKie (then a coach on the Sixers staff) as a sign-and-trade to match salaries for them to land Pau Gasol. Then the Mavericks used a retired Keith Van Horn in a sign-and-trade for Jason Kidd. Larry Miller later came out and said we put together a deal that included using Greg Ostertag as a sign-and-trade but the league shot it down stating he was clearly retired.

 

[LoPo]

Cy - you and your damn ifs. If this happens or if that happens. IF it was so easy, why has it not happened yet? IF, there is no issue with it, why are the Lakers going to dump Randle and Clarkson instead of just doing your Deng plan?

For all the accusing you do based off assumptions, you and I really can only speculate. Its not too late Cy to create a new resolution for yourself - be cool.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cy - you and your damn ifs. If this happens or if that happens. IF it was so easy, why has it not happened yet? IF, there is no issue with it, why are the Lakers going to dump Randle and Clarkson instead of just doing your Deng plan?

For all the accusing you do based off assumptions, you and I really can only speculate. Its not too late Cy to create a new resolution for yourself - be cool.

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Have you read anything? The Deng plan is part of dumping Clarkson. You are really trying to be dumb here by not knowing the facts.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is like OL w/ the jerseys. Despite there being credible sources reporting on things, lopo is just like "well you never really know we might get the mountain jerseys"

 

[LoPo]

Dumping Clarkson allows the Lakers to get 2 max contracts this summer. They are trying to get anything for Randle before just letting him walk.

They are trading Clarkson because they cant trade Deng. Ideally, the Lakers would keep Clarkson but they cant. Same with Randle. The Lakers are about to lose 2 valuable players because they can't trade Deng. Its crazy.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Because he would get signed by another team. It's either take that and be able to go actually play for a team, or rot on a bench. Even if the Lakers went the trade Deng route, he likely gets on a ****** team and never sees the court. He takes the extend/stretch and he can go join Thibs and get minutes/extra money.

There is no way the Lakers dont know if Deng is going to do this or not. I'm sure it's been agreed to internally as the reports say the Lakers are no longer looking into trading Deng (because teams demand Ingram or Kuzma).

Thibs when he sees Luol Deng is a UFA next year.

They are going to buy him out or stretch him either way.

The net result of all this is the same... I don’t think they trade KK or Ingram to move Deng... worst case they trade their 2020 first rounder and Hart Nance to offload the money but they do that when LBJ and PG say they are coming.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I would do Nance, Randle and Clarkson for Favors, Johnson and Jerebko

 

[Coach Ellis]

I would do Nance, Randle and Clarkson for Favors, Johnson and Jerebko

Why? That’s a terrible deal for the Jazz. None of those guys moves the needle towards contending at all. There has to be a better way to build around Rudy and Donovan than taking on the Lakers trash and wrecking our future cap space.

 

[Zombie]

Is Kyle Kuzma the least available guy on the Lakers roster? I mean, I think I'd move Ball before KK.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Is Kyle Kuzma the least available guy on the Lakers roster? I mean, I think I'd move Ball before KK.

Without a doubt he is their most unavailable player (when considering his fit on a super-team [SUPER GREAT FIT], that his salary is practically nothing, and that he is probably already their best player).