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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

The dialogue is all about trades. The maneuvering is all about trades. The posturing is all about trades. Eventually, the floodgates will open.

We can't hide Hood behind a contusion much longer.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
There is this thing called history. Look at it.
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Generally true. And a couple of big names are still on the market - or at least that's what some GM's are hoping. Vultures are circling over Cleveland, there's discord in Milwaukee and Charlotte. I expect others are trying to pick up players for pennies on the dollar. And Homey, I mean Dennis, don't play that game. I suspect he's made his offers and is waiting for a call back.
 
LoPo said:
The more I look at it, the more I like Porter. Could we get him in a salary dump/save them from the luxury move? Do they like Oubre that much?

Favors, JoeJ, a lottery protected pick and our 2018 2nd for Porter, Frazier (expiring) and Mac (expiring nonguaranteed). http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydgthukq

Washington gets under the luxury limit with this deal. And even though he is a solid player, $25+ for Porter seems like a ton.
We get Porter for expirings and a protected 1st.
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I don't see Washington trading Otto Porter just to avoid the tax. They would still be over the cap after the trade. With no money to replace him. If they dump cap they'll be looking to move Gortat/Mahinmi.
 
I guess this is the more active trade thread, so I'll repost this. They're dealing with Favors tomorrow.

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Utah out: Hood, 2019 2nd rounder

Utah in: Celtics 2018 1st rounder (top 22 protected), Top 20 protected for the next 6 years, then becomes 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey

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Utah out: Joe Johnson, 2018 lotto protected 1st, protected 1-10 in 2019, protected 1-5 in 2020, protected 1-4 in 2021, becoming 2021 and 2022 2nd round picks if it doesn't convey

Utah in: Nikola Mirotic, and Chicago picks up his team option for 13mil next year
 
I don't think it's realistic to get both Mirotic and Fournier without sending AT LEAST one of the Jazz's actual 1st rounders. I vote Fournier. His contract is legit, he's a consistent threat as a shooter and passer, it would enable the Jazz to move Mitchell to the "1", he's friends with Rudy and spends time in Utah for fun. Don't think he'll save the season but will be a solid third, often second, or sometimes first option. But I'm not taking on Biyombo to do that.

If you can get both without sending a proper Jazz 1st rounder (and not taking on crushing dead salary) I think you have to.

I don't think Kawhi is realistic, I don't think Washington will move Porter right now.

On the topic of realistic; I wanna be in play for 2019.
 
zyzz said:
I guess this is the more active trade thread, so I'll repost this. They're dealing with Favors tomorrow.

Dunc'd On Mock Trade podcast

Utah out: Hood, 2019 2nd rounder

Utah in: Celtics 2018 1st rounder (top 22 protected), Top 20 protected for the next 6 years, then becomes 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey

...

Utah out: Joe Johnson, 2018 lotto protected 1st, protected 1-10 in 2019, protected 1-5 in 2020, protected 1-4 in 2021, becoming 2021 and 2022 2nd round picks if it doesn't convey

Utah in: Nikola Mirotic, and Chicago picks up his team option for 13mil next year
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Damn, that's really the best they could come up with for Hood?
 
zyzz said:
I guess this is the more active trade thread, so I'll repost this. They're dealing with Favors tomorrow.

Dunc'd On Mock Trade podcast

Utah out: Hood, 2019 2nd rounder

Utah in: Celtics 2018 1st rounder (top 22 protected), Top 20 protected for the next 6 years, then becomes 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey

...

Utah out: Joe Johnson, 2018 lotto protected 1st, protected 1-10 in 2019, protected 1-5 in 2020, protected 1-4 in 2021, becoming 2021 and 2022 2nd round picks if it doesn't convey

Utah in: Nikola Mirotic, and Chicago picks up his team option for 13mil next year
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Why would the Jazz do that Hood trade? It's basically giving up Hood and a 2019 2nd round pick for free. It's doubtful the Celtics pick would ever convey with a top 20 protection on it. So we'd basically be getting 2nd rounders in like 2026/2027. Who the heck wants that garbage?

Also, f*** Danny Ainge. I'm not giving him s***.
 
SCS said:
Why would the Jazz do that Hood trade? It's basically giving up Hood and a 2019 2nd round pick for free. It's doubtful the Celtics pick would ever convey with a top 20 protection on it. So we'd basically be getting 2nd rounders in like 2026/2027. Who the heck wants that garbage?

Also, f*** Danny Ainge. I'm not giving him s***.
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Celtics have the third best record in the league. It would most likely convey in 2018
 
SCS said:
Why would the Jazz do that Hood trade? It's basically giving up Hood and a 2019 2nd round pick for free. It's doubtful the Celtics pick would ever convey with a top 20 protection on it. So we'd basically be getting 2nd rounders in like 2026/2027. Who the heck wants that garbage?

Also, f*** Danny Ainge. I'm not giving him s***.
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Given the history there I think we’d pass with no problem.
 
zyzz said:
I guess this is the more active trade thread, so I'll repost this. They're dealing with Favors tomorrow.

Dunc'd On Mock Trade podcast

Utah out: Hood, 2019 2nd rounder

Utah in: Celtics 2018 1st rounder (top 22 protected), Top 20 protected for the next 6 years, then becomes 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey

...

Utah out: Joe Johnson, 2018 lotto protected 1st, protected 1-10 in 2019, protected 1-5 in 2020, protected 1-4 in 2021, becoming 2021 and 2022 2nd round picks if it doesn't convey

Utah in: Nikola Mirotic, and Chicago picks up his team option for 13mil next year
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I don't really like either of those trades for the Jazz. For such a heavily protected pick, there's way more value in Hood staying. But if they gave us their Memphis pick, I'd do it.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
Hood is worth more than that.
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As much as I like Hood, or maybe it's more I'm having a hard time letting go of the first impression I had of him, I'm ok with this deal. You get a late first rounder, which he somewhat was himself, for a guy who became expendable because of an un-drafted guy who played his way into the league after 2 yrs in Europe.
 
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/25/16929334/washington-wizards-trade-deadline

Jonathan Tjarks with an interesting and not chewed down to pieces idea:

The Wizards need to find a rebuilding team willing to give up at least one NBA-caliber wing, if not two, for Gortat and a first-round pick. There aren’t many potential trade partners who fit the bill. The most interesting one by far is Utah. The Jazz hit the jackpot with rookie guard Donovan Mitchell, and his emergence has changed their timetable as a franchise. They can afford to carry Gortat on their books next season if it allows them to add more young players next to Mitchell. The Jazz have shown the ability to find talent late in the draft, selecting Rudy Gobert and Rodney Hood in the same range where the Wizards’ pick will be.

Alec Burks is the type of player Washington should target. The former lottery pick can barely crack the rotation in Utah, but he’s a high-level talent who never clicked with Quin Snyder and needs a fresh start. At 6-foot-6 and 215 pounds with a 6-foot-11 wingspan, he can defend multiple positions, create his own shot off the dribble, and threaten the defense as a shooter when he’s off the ball. Burks has been productive this season, with per-36 minute averages of 18.5 points, 6.4 rebounds, 2.1 assists, and 1.5 steals on 41.5 percent shooting, and he’s still only 26 years old. He will make $10.6 million this season and $11.3 million next season, so swapping him and Gortat would not change the long-term financial picture for either team.

If the two teams exchange bad contracts and the Wizards give up a pick, they might be able to convince the Jazz to throw a young player like Royce O’Neale in the deal. O’Neale is the type of player that Washington has never found in the Wall-and-Beal era. He’s a 24-year-old rookie wing who has emerged over the past month as a reliable 3-and-D player. O’Neale can defend multiple positions, space the floor, and move the ball, and he’s locked into a three-year contract at the league minimum. Insert Burks and O’Neale into the rotation instead of Gortat, and the Wizards would instantly become a more versatile team.
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The idea is:
UTA gets Marcin Gortat + pick(1st? I assume?)
WAS gets Alec Burks + Royce On'Neale

Thoughts?
 
Gortat is obviously not very useful for us, so essentially it's giving up Royce for a 1st round pick (currently nr 20). Before the season I'd say that's a good deal, but I like Royce.
 
infection said:
Take out Royce?
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I imagine that's how you somehow extract a 1st in the deal.

My gut instinct is **** yes, do that. I'm not sure people are discussing how picks are the truest form of liquid capital on the trade market. In other words, you make it easier to grab a player you want on the trade market.
 
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