Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

[MDAV28]

Ill be disappointed if we trade Hood for just a 1st round pick unless its a lottery pick or potential lottery pick.

For me its maybe like 18-20 cut off. But yeah basically the same. I'd be fine with him walking after getting offered a decent deal (Fournier) than getting back some deal like Kanter's for example.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

There is no GM in the world that would rank Udoh over Favs.

I probably wouldn't either. I was just saying why it isn't a really easy choice. Favs is more skilled offensively, but his style of game is out of fashion as a 4. For the Jazz he can't really play in his most effective position because Rudy is in his way. That's all I'm saying. Udoh is definitely a better defender at the 5 position, and his game mirrors what Rudy brings in a lot of ways. 48 minutes of that might be really nice to have.

 

[enchilada_style]

Thought this video might be relevant. Much different approach by Rodney's parents in a tough situation than what we saw from the Burke family.

 

[elan_prodigy]

I mean the warriors pay a lot for Iggy... you mentioned Manu. Cleveland has had some expensive bench pieces.

With Rubio there are times you'd want to run DM at PG and having Evan next to him is great. Might even go without a PG and put Ingles and Evan out there are times. I think he'd still get starter minutes and while he is paid well as a 6th man I think he'd be better than our 6th best player.

I think it would be ideal to have someone like that off the bench actually.

We have Ingles... and Thabo...

 

[cowhide]

what lopo says makes sense to me.
We lose hood and need some depth since we are trying to make the playoffs so we add mario. We dont actually lose thabo because he isn't actually playing anyway. We pick him up after orlando lets him go if we want him back.

Not that hard to follow imo. I can understand some people seeing a small amount of risk from losing thabo, a player we all like, but i mean we are playing pretty good without him right now imo and he is kinda old and coming off a pretty serious injury. Plus it would seem like we would have a decent chance of getting him back if we really wanted to. Not a certainty (hence the small risk) but a decent chance anyway.
If we dont get him back then its not a huge franchise changing deal breaker or anything. Royce has taken over for thabo pretty good imo.

Then there is the possibility that mario turns things around and we develop him.

what lopo says makes sense to me.
We lose hood and need some depth since we are trying to make the playoffs so we add mario. We dont actually lose thabo because he isn't actually playing anyway. We pick him up after orlando lets him go if we want him back.

Not that hard to follow imo. I can understand some people seeing a small amount of risk from losing thabo, a player we all like, but i mean we are playing pretty good without him right now imo and he is kinda old and coming off a pretty serious injury. Plus it would seem like we would have a decent chance of getting him back if we really wanted to. Not a certainty (hence the small risk) but a decent chance anyway.
If we dont get him back then its not a huge franchise changing deal breaker or anything. Royce has taken over for thabo pretty good imo.

Then there is the possibility that mario turns things around and we develop him.

I don't have a problem with getting Mario. He played well last game 20 pts. 5 rebounds. If the Jazz trade Hood, they will need a replacement. I think Mario got swallowed up with a big ego being a star in Europe and then coming to NBA with high expectations. The fans turned on him and he didn't play well.

I like Thabo but he may not be the same player after his injury. Yes there is a risk but it isn't like Thabo is a star or anything. I think some Jazz fans are too attached to him to see that he is replaceable. Besides O'neil has played well, so he can get more minutes if we miss out on Thabo being released. If Mario sucks, then the damage is minimal. If he goes somewhere else and plays well then we might be kicking ourselves.

 

[oneye]

For me its maybe like 18-20 cut off. But yeah basically the same. I'd be fine with him walking after getting offered a decent deal (Fournier) than getting back some deal like Kanter's for example.

Agreed if the Jazz think he’s going to be overpaid you do have to trade him. Rodney has been good while he’s been here, but what Donovan turns into going forward also plays into the decision. I think Donovan will be able to go to the point, but he’s struggling with running an offense right now especially down the stretch when he gets pressured. If we are keeping Dante (which I think and hope we are) you can’t overpay for Hood. Hood is a good player and for a reasonable price he’s worth keeping around, but not once that price passes a certain threshold that jeprodizes franchise flexibility.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean the warriors pay a lot for Iggy... you mentioned Manu. Cleveland has had some expensive bench pieces.

With Rubio there are times you'd want to run DM at PG and having Evan next to him is great. Might even go without a PG and put Ingles and Evan out there are times. I think he'd still get starter minutes and while he is paid well as a 6th man I think he'd be better than our 6th best player.

I think it would be ideal to have someone like that off the bench actually.

The Warriors are a bit different because of their having 4 All-Stars (3 before KD) situation.

 

[MDAV28]

Agreed if the Jazz think he’s going to be overpaid you do have to trade him. Rodney has been good while he’s been here, but what Donovan turns into going forward also plays into the decision. I think Donovan will be able to go to the point, but he’s struggling with running an offense right now especially down the stretch when he gets pressured. If we are keeping Dante (which I think and hope we are) you can’t overpay for Hood. Hood is a good player and for a reasonable price he’s worth keeping around, but not once that price passes a certain threshold that jeprodizes franchise flexibility.

But I think there's reason to believe that he may NOT be overpaid. Which is why just unloading him for less than stellar assets doesn't really appeal to me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And again, if the Jazz wanted to pay Fournier, they would just keep Hood, who is the better and higher potential cap of the 2 players.

 

[gomretat]

I probably wouldn't either. I was just saying why it isn't a really easy choice. Favs is more skilled offensively, but his style of game is out of fashion as a 4. For the Jazz he can't really play in his most effective position because Rudy is in his way. That's all I'm saying. Udoh is definitely a better defender at the 5 position, and his game mirrors what Rudy brings in a lot of ways. 48 minutes of that might be really nice to have.

I dont think you can find a coach in the NBA would play Udoh in front of Favs at the 5

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't have a problem with getting Mario. He played well last game 20 pts. 5 rebounds. If the Jazz trade Hood, they will need a replacement. I think Mario got swallowed up with a big ego being a star in Europe and then coming to NBA with high expectations. The fans turned on him and he didn't play well.

I like Thabo but he may not be the same player after his injury. Yes there is a risk but it isn't like Thabo is a star or anything. I think some Jazz fans are too attached to him to see that he is replaceable. Besides O'neil has played well, so he can get more minutes if we miss out on Thabo being released. If Mario sucks, then the damage is minimal. If he goes somewhere else and plays well then we might be kicking ourselves.

Looking at his numbers as a starter... Mario very well may get more than 5.2M per year... if so any team acquiring him can't go over that amount because his option was declined. He is a great offseason target imo... let him get more run there and decide.

 

[oneye]

Thought this video might be relevant. Much different approach by Rodney's parents in a tough situation than what we saw from the Burke family.

Rodney is a great kid, and that video of his dad made me respect him and his family even more. I wish nothing but the best for him whatever happens, but the Jazz have got to do what’s best going forward. It’s unfortunate that guys get caught in the middle of this craziness but such is the NBA and pro sports.

 

[Watcher]

Isolated?

He's had to sit in the "leg contusion" section of the plane and locker room lately. It's kind of boring and isolating because how many people really are there in that section and how long do they stay?

 

[cowhide]

He had lost a step defensively but his wingspan, IQ, and desire were there. He was hitting shots and showing a little bit off the dribble here and there.

I’m not convinced he is coming back but on draft night we could offer him and Jonas for Mirotic and save the pelicans or another team some money and pick up assets in the process. That trade chip has more value than Mario right now and as I outlined we may not want to pick up Mario because of the contract limitation.

What is this Jazz nation obsession with getting Mirotic? He sucked against the Jazz and hasn't really played well the last few weeks.

 

[cowhide]

How so? Haven't really seen any of him at all.. What's going on with him? Loved him predraft.

He has been riding the bench because he hasn't played well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And again, if the Jazz wanted to pay Fournier, they would just keep Hood, who is the better and higher potential cap of the 2 players.

Or you'd trade Hood for a pick and get Fournier for cap relief and be better off.

I think the durability and consistency issues are a bigger concern than his level of play. He may also get more than Evan and likely commands a 4 year deal where Evan's would have 3 years left. Would you rather have Evan for 3/51 or Hood for 4/60?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What is this Jazz nation obsession with getting Mirotic? He sucked against the Jazz and hasn't really played well the last few weeks.

One game sample size...

He is a good fit and would come at a fair price point.

 

[RJF]

Just under 24 hours left...

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I dont think you can find a coach in the NBA would play Udoh in front of Favs at the 5

I depends on what they need. When favs was playing 5 it was open season on the rim. The Jazz were one of the worst defensive teams in the league over that stretch. Favs offensively can be good, but not great. When considering contract I'd probably rather have Udoh as a backup 5 on his tiny deal for another year, and then find a better fit at 4. As strictly a backup 5 I'm not convinced that Udoh makes you win less than Favors. Udoh has some crazy on/off numbers and positively impacts the game a ton. Favs is more skilled, but his skills don't always translate into positive team play in the same way. If they were on the same deal and in the same situation I'd probably pick Favors still, but with the contract situation and their attitudes in regard to starting/coming off the bench I think I'll go with Udoh.

 

[Jazzta]

Thought this video might be relevant. Much different approach by Rodney's parents in a tough situation than what we saw from the Burke family.

Very classy approach, I tip off my hat.