Hood traded to Cleveland for Crowder; Johnson to Sacramento

[Coach Ellis]

I thought Cleveland was headed south after that first trade but, strangely, at the end of the day, anyone else think this actually increases the chances LeBron stays or opts in to his final year?

I think he either opts in or does another 1 + 1. I think he’ll shift his free agency to 2019 and hit the market when there’s more money to be had. I do think there’s at least some chance that he tests the market before he does that though.

 

[The Midnight]

Anyone know what's Crowder's first game with us will be?


Can't hardly wait.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not all shots are created equally.



I mean, not necessarily. Hood at 17 ppg at his age and on a value deal would be a bigger asset. Jazz are betting that Hood gets overpaid relative to their situation and plan.

I said if crowder plays better than hood then it wouldn't suck.
You can disagree with that but it would be wierd to. It's like saying you would rather have the guy who played worse and costed more.

 

[infection]

Anyone know what's Crowder's first game with us will be?


Can't hardly wait.

Probably Monday against the Spurs. Good timing as I will be in attendance.

 

[MDAV28]

I said if crowder plays better than hood then it wouldn't suck.
You can disagree with that but it would be wierd to. It's like saying you would rather have the guy who played worse and costed more.

The way Hood played is not indicative of how he will play for his career. He is in his 4th season on his rookie deal. Remember what Hayward did in year 5 and on?

It still can suck if Hood gets a value-deal.

 

[Ellipse]

Our time with Hood ran its course when Donovan showed he was a franchise peice. I saw a quote from Donovan about his reaction to the trade. He was mature and professional and of course wished Joe and Rodney the best in their careers. I think in the coming years it would be wise to involve Donovan on decisions like this and explaining why you may make a move before it happens. The Jazz made the safer and more sure move today.

I heard Gordon Monson on 1280 make this argument, to which I say: Don't be stupid.

One of the best attributes of Mitchell's is his humble demeanor and relationship with teammates. If you want to destroy that, then involve him in trades. Give him the power to have a say in who stays and who goes, and then you can watch team chemistry go all to hell.

 

[fishonjazz]

The way Hood played is not indicative of how he will play for his career. He is in his 4th season on his rookie deal. Remember what Hayward did in year 5 and on?

It still can suck if Hood gets a value-deal.

Well ya. The hypothetical I was speaking of is that crowder plays better than hood. This year, next year, etc.
That would be cool imo and I wouldn't regret the trade.

 

[DasJazz]

I love Hood, definitely wanted him to stay long term but I can't argue too much with this trade, even though I want to!

Getting a player of Crowder's ability should not be overlooked considering we may have not paid Hood in the off-season.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

So basically, like was said, his shooting isn't all that efficient but he does have excuses as to why I guess. Of course no one said he didn't.

Doesnt even really have excuses. The bigger role actually helped him. Still not that good. Still not getting to the line or really doing anything other than shooting/scoring. There's a reason the Jazz are better without him.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I will be rooting for Hood as a Cavalier- playing with Lebron should really help his game a lot. This worked out well for him.

 

[MDAV28]

Well ya. The hypothetical I was speaking of is that crowder plays better than hood. This year, next year, etc.
That would be cool imo and I wouldn't regret the trade.

Even so, that's like saying we aren't upset Hayward left cause he broke his ankle. Different situations can bring different results. I don't mind the trade, I'm just saying it weighs on what Hood gets in the offseason, and Jazz are banking that it would be out of their ballpark for their valuation and got what should be a value deal and a great fit in return.

 

[freakazoid]

The way Hood played is not indicative of how he will play for his career. He is in his 4th season on his rookie deal. Remember what Hayward did in year 5 and on?

It still can suck if Hood gets a value-deal.

Except we don't have a starting spot for him and he wants to be a starter. We also need to find minutes for Dante when he comes back.

It's not a perfect situation, but the deal had to get done.

 

[freakazoid]

and Jazz are banking that it would be out of their ballpark for their valuation and got what should be a value deal and a great fit in return.

I don't agree with this. It's been reported that RFAs have had a higher value this year than in the past, because GMs expect to sign guys to team friendly deals this year, since there is very little money to go around.

Utah had other reasons for trading Hood, as I mentioned in my other post.

 

[MDAV28]

Except we don't have a starting spot for him and he wants to be a starter. We also need to find minutes for Dante when he comes back.

It's not a perfect situation, but the deal had to get done.

He's a RFA. Signing him to a value-deal is an asset.

I understand the thought process, and I think the Jazz did well. I did think Hood could have fetched a decent 1st but if that were the case we'd have one. But it's not like there was no value in keeping him.

 

[freakazoid]

I think he becomes our starter there... I know some have doubts but look at the western conference... which PF would abuse Crowder in the post or on the glass... Aldridge, Davis/Boogie, Taj Gibson

He hasn't been used there as much but he's also never had a center anywhere nearly as good as Rudy. Horford is good but rebounding was his issue. Rudy doesn't have that.

I think we move to a Favs starts and plays 4-5 minutes and then we go to Crowder at the 4 and stagger Rudy/Favs. Tell Crowder he is loved everyday and give him a hug so he doesn't hate coming off the bench.

They could also start Crowder at the 3, since Jingles has already volunteered to come off the bench.

Long as we're keeping everyone happy.

 

[MDAV28]

I don't agree with this. It's been reported that RFAs have had a higher value this year than in the past, because GMs expect to sign guys to team friendly deals this year, since there is very little money to go around.

Utah had other reasons for trading Hood, as I mentioned in my other post.

Yes exactly... but Hood on a team-friendly deal is a bigger asset than an expiring deal that may turn into an overpaid deal no?

 

[freakazoid]

He's a RFA. Signing him to a value-deal is an asset.

I understand the thought process, and I think the Jazz did well. I did think Hood could have fetched a decent 1st but if that were the case we'd have one. But it's not like there was no value in keeping him.

Sure. In the meantime Dante decides to take the QO because we don't have minutes for him and Hood is mucking up the locker room because he isn't happy coming off the bench.

I have been totally in the frame of mind of re-signing him and trading him later, but these other issues made it not worth it. Crowder can also fetch us that 1st in the offseason if he gets back to what he was in Boston. Not really that big of a deal.

 

[MDAV28]

Sure. In the meantime Dante decides to take the QO because we don't have minutes for him and Hood is mucking up the locker room because he isn't happy coming off the bench.

I have been totally in the frame of mind of re-signing him and trading him later, but these other issues made it not worth it. Crowder can also fetch us that 1st in the offseason if he gets back to what he was in Boston. Not really that big of a deal.

Lol Dante would never do that and yeah the locker room sure seemed mucked up.

Let's not overthink it guys.

 

[freakazoid]

According to Tony Jones, Hood was not going to come back to Utah. Things were apparently getting rough behind the scenes, and he wanted out. To his credit, he still did his job when asked to do so. I imagine the Jazz weren't always happy about Hood's ability to play through pain. But I think the real issue is that Hood is a starter in this league, but he's not on this team.

This needs to be quoted many times, because some people still don't have a very good grasp on the situation.

Even though the jazz haven't said as much, it really sounds like Hood wanted out and asked for a trade. Trading him for Crowder is much better than having him take the QO just to become a UFA in one year.

 

[MDAV28]

This is the exact rational that scared Cleveland into getting fleeced out of Kyrie. Jazz are smart enough to bet on, all things considered, that Hood's contract would not be as team friendly as they would like.