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Millsap's future impacts Jazz draft strategy

Favors Flave said:
Of course if you draft Kanter and move Sap to 3 then you have to trade Okur.
SF- Sap, ?
PF- Favors, Kanter/Sap
C- Jefferson, Kanter/Favors

If you draft D-Will2
SF- D-Will2, ?
PF- Favors,Sap,D-will2
C- Big Al, Favors

I like the D-Will 2 lineup better
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I don't know if that's your long-term projection or not. If it is, there's still the problem of your #3 overall pick coming off the bench. Favors, Jefferson or Kanter cannot play the 3, so if you plan on having all 3 on the squad, you're going to have line-up problems.

Best case scenario is Minny falling in love with Kanter allowing Derrick Williams to fall to Utah and Sap accepting the 6th man role. A frontcourt rotation of Favors/Jefferson/Williams and Sap would be insane.
 
jazzman12 said:
I don't know if that's your long-term projection or not. If it is, there's still the problem of your #3 overall pick coming off the bench. Favors, Jefferson or Kanter cannot play the 3, so if you plan on having all 3 on the squad, you're going to have line-up problems.

Best case scenario is Minny falling in love with Kanter allowing Derrick Williams to fall to Utah and Sap accepting the 6th man role. A frontcourt rotation of Favors/Jefferson/Williams and Sap would be insane.
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Insanely tweener. Four ideal PFs spread between 3 positions. Insanely good would be finding a way (Jefferson and #12 for Bogut is a dream) to get an actual C one day.
 
Having Williams and Millsap on the same team would either be brilliant (if they can both guard both the 3 and 4) or a disaster (neither is a 3 at all). I don't think it could be anywhere in-between. For that reason, I kind of dread the idea of Williams being available at #3 because there's no way you can't draft him there.
 
Would you trade Millsap + #3 to Cleveland for #1 or Minnesota's #2?

With Cleveland:
Utah would take Kyrie Irving @ #1 and have their guaranteed star PG of the future
Cleveland gets Millsap and could take Kanter and Knight at #3 and #4. Knight could be the PG of the future for Cleveland and he could learn under Baron Davis for a season or two. Kanter is a offensive-mind PF/C that they don't have, besides Jamison who will be traded for his expiring contract at some point next season.

With Minnesota:
Utah would take Derrick Williams, who is a perfect replacement for Millsap and beyond. Favors, Jefferson, and Williams would be a solid frontcourt.
Minnesota would get Enes Kanter at #3 and not look foolish for taking Kanter at #2 over Williams. Millsap could back-up the 3 and 4 and play alongside Love.
 
Using Millsap to move up to grab Williams makes sense for Utah for the same reason it doesn't make sense for Minnesota: We'd be making room for Williams while Millsap just logjams the 3/4 for Minnesota already.

I would consider moving Millsap to get Irving though. However, again, I don't know why Cleveland does that if they give a **** about Hickson or Jamison.

I really like Irving. He seems the most likely to be a franchise-player in this draft and that's why he's generally viewed as the #1 pick. I really like Millsap too and would hate to part with him, that's how much I like Irving.
 
CALJAZZFAN said:
Milsap should be our backup PF. Period. He is a great bench player. End of story.
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Exactly. If his ego is gonna get in the way of this then it may be time to ship him out. Only way I would want Sap as a starter is if I had stars the level of a Miami/Boston etc. to surround him with.
 
Since nobody in the draft has any chance of replacing Millsap next year, there is no reason for Millsap to affect the draft. Worst case scenario is the best case scenario: someone proves they can replace Millsap and he, or someone else, gets dealt for more assets to clear the space.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Insanely tweener. Four ideal PFs spread between 3 positions. Insanely good would be finding a way (Jefferson and #12 for Bogut is a dream) to get an actual C one day.
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I'm not really a fan of the tweener label in that scenario. Looking at some of Williams' film, he sure seems to be athletic enough to play the 3 IMO. At 6'8" that gives us great length coming from the SF spot. With Favors and Jefferson, neither may be an "actual" Center by the definition as we know it, but in all reality, the majority of NBA teams don't have an "actual" center.

Where we do agree is somebody like Bogut. As much as I love Jefferson, I would move him in some sort of package for Bog in a heartbeat. However, that is once again a bit redundant if Utah drafts Kanter. Who's your starting SF out of Favors, Bogut, Milsap and Kanter?

That's why I keep coming back to Derrick Williams as Utah's best case scenario.
 
I remember reading a comment from Millsap regarding playing SF, leading me to think this subject had been brought up to him by the Jazz brass. Millsap responded to a reporter's inquiry that if the Jazz wanted to use him at SF next year, they needed to let him know BEFORE the summer break and not wait 'til the 2011 season starts to tell him. Personally, I think with his work ethic he could do it by dropping some weight and working on his flexability and agility with drills, etc. The man does want to succeed, so he'll do what it takes to help the team win. He may not be quite as agile as some SF, but his low-post work and rebounding advantage would more than offset. At PF, he is night-in and night-out physically overmatched by other teams' starting PF's.
 
jazzman12 said:
I'm not really a fan of the tweener label in that scenario. Looking at some of Williams' film, he sure seems to be athletic enough to play the 3 IMO. At 6'8" that gives us great length coming from the SF spot. With Favors and Jefferson, neither may be an "actual" Center by the definition as we know it, but in all reality, the majority of NBA teams don't have an "actual" center.

Where we do agree is somebody like Bogut. As much as I love Jefferson, I would move him in some sort of package for Bog in a heartbeat. However, that is once again a bit redundant if Utah drafts Kanter. Who's your starting SF out of Favors, Bogut, Milsap and Kanter?

That's why I keep coming back to Derrick Williams as Utah's best case scenario.
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Get Kyrie Irving somehow. Problem solved!
 
Sap is not a SF and he is not a starter on good team. He is a great 6th man and his production versus what he is paid is very good. I see no reason the Jazz will trade him.
 
jazzman12 said:
-Al Jefferson's scoring ability and low-post presence basically forces you to start him. Not only that, as the roster currently sits he is Utah's best player.
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Al Jefferson's scoring ability is below league average. And, he can't make useful passes out of the post. Why people continue to repeat this garbage, I don't understand. I'd post the stats, but I've already done so far too many times.

Al Jeff should head to the bench if there's a log jam. The Jazz are much better off with a frontcourt of Favors-Millsap than anything including Big Al. I'm still hopeful Millsap comes back after the summer ready to play the 3.
 
GVC said:
Al Jefferson's scoring ability is below league average. And, he can't make useful passes out of the post. Why people continue to repeat this garbage, I don't understand. I'd post the stats, but I've already done so far too many times.

Al Jeff should head to the bench if there's a log jam. The Jazz are much better off with a frontcourt of Favors-Millsap than anything including Big Al. I'm still hopeful Millsap comes back after the summer ready to play the 3.
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Maybe I don't quite understand what your saying but Al averaged 19 points, thats not below league average. I hope Big Al really improves his passing and then comes back next year, is an all star and cant wait for the Big Al supporters to jump on the band wagon b/c it seems I'm the only one who thinks he is good
 
Favors Flave said:
Maybe I don't quite understand what your saying but Al averaged 19 points, thats not below league average. I hope Big Al really improves his passing and then comes back next year, is an all star and cant wait for the Big Al supporters to jump on the band wagon b/c it seems I'm the only one who thinks he is good
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It took a ton of possessions for him to get those points. Big Al's TS% was below league average. CJ Miles and Earl Watson were the only Jazz regulars with a lower TS% than Big Al. And they at least can occasionally make plays other than throwing the ball at the rim with the ball in their hands.
 
GVC said:
It took a ton of possessions for him to get those points. Big Al's TS% was below league average. CJ Miles and Earl Watson were the only Jazz regulars with a lower TS% than Big Al. And they at least can occasionally make plays other than throwing the ball at the rim with the ball in their hands.
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If you were Big Al, who would you honestly trust to pass the ball to with the lineup that was mainly in until the end of the year
PG- Watson- Not much of a threat (Harris was injured most of the time)
SG- Bell- Are you kidding, I wouldn't trust him
SF- Ak- Never trust him
PF- Millsap- I would trust him but he never really made himself available

Also, don't know if you noticed but when you pass the ball to Big Al everyone stood around. Corbin always was yelling move but everyone would just stand. That's not Big Al's fault. I really believe when Hayward and Favors were in, the offense was much better. Hayward offered a shooter and Favors got numerous dunks off passes from Big Al either from the high post or off a double team
 
GVC said:
Al Jefferson's scoring ability is below league average. And, he can't make useful passes out of the post. Why people continue to repeat this garbage, I don't understand. I'd post the stats, but I've already done so far too many times.

Al Jeff should head to the bench if there's a log jam. The Jazz are much better off with a frontcourt of Favors-Millsap than anything including Big Al. I'm still hopeful Millsap comes back after the summer ready to play the 3.
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I've seen those numbers, and I think it's neat that you're basing 100% of your argument off of them, but I don't think they tell the whole story.

I expected Big Al to have a somewhat inefficient year during his 1st season in Utah. Couple that with the fact that he lost his HC and Point Guard in the process and I'm not suprised at all by those numbers.

I still think he's trending upwards. He's one more season away from that nasty knee injury, and he set career high marks in assists and blocks while also achieving a career low in turnovers last season.
 
jazzman12 said:
I've seen those numbers, and I think it's neat that you're basing 100% of your argument off of them, but I don't think they tell the whole story.

I expected Big Al to have a somewhat inefficient year during his 1st season in Utah. Couple that with the fact that he lost his HC and Point Guard in the process and I'm not suprised at all by those numbers.

I still think he's trending upwards. He's one more season away from that nasty knee injury, and he set career high marks in assists and blocks while also achieving a career low in turnovers last season.
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Very true. This year hell be even more familiar with the Jazz system. Near the end of the season we saw him improving on all fronts (blocks, assists, scoring, leadership) with only help-defense/rotational defense still being something that didnt have any noticable improvement. However, we all know how well the paint was defended when there was a combination of Al and Favors, or sometimes even Al and Fes (first half of the 3rd lakers game). He seems to be taking initiative to rally up the team, work out, improve and looks forward to making the playoffs in the coming years. Im excited for this next season and REALLY hope the lockour doesnt pose any huge problems.
 
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