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Following Potential 2018 Draftees

I was also holding the newborn and using just one hand and my phone to look crap up, my back killing me after sleeping on a pullout chair three nights in a row.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Thanks for taking care of my baby.
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To get Carter, the Jazz are going to need to trade for or buy a higher second round pick. Philly is a good partner because of their crowded roster and ton of picks.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
@Gilles de Rais

These are two different guys, right? Do you know much about either? The guard interests me. Looks smooth, decent shot, great length, good athleticism.
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The other one is a bigman in his early 20's. The one you're talking about used to play with Frank Ntilikina ive seen him play about 10 games. He's the son of a coach, easily has an NBA build and has a nice skill level and feel for the game, he's not super quick footed or anything but the major hole in his game is shooting, he's got plenty of defensive potential, will be viewed as a roleplayer.
 
Wow. I miss this thread for one day and it goes full Niko. For a couple pages, I thought I was back in the 200 pages Niko thread.

I’ve already said my piece about Niko, but a couple highlights as a few comments surfaced.

Regarding Niko’s three point shooting, his percentages don’t pop off the page. His percentages fit in the same range as every other perimeter shooting big with a reputation of being deadly from deep (Dirk, Love, Memo). FFS, even Larry Bird was a career 37.6% three point shooter in an era where the line was closer and he took a lot fewer attempts. Chris Mullin was 38.4% and Stockton 38.4%. But what separates Niko from those other big guys is his volume. No big man is putting up as many threes per minute as Niko — ever. To find comparable guys in attempts per minute, you have to move to guards and guys like Steph as a comparison. Him maintaining averages of Love, Memo, and Dirk on that many attempts is quite unreal.

With regard to his consistency, you see some steaks in his percentages. I’ve detailed in depth all of his numbers in Europe that give evidence that, at baseline, he’s closer to a 40% shooter from deep than a 35% shooter. I won’t dig that up again.

With regard to his defense, he’s sold as a terrible defender, which is what often happens to white guys or Europeans who are known as shooters but don’t have highlight defensive plays — people assume the status quo of good shooter / atrocious defender. That said, perhaps not the best guy guarding wings who are playing PF, but he brings other advantages if that happens.

Catchall said:
If/when we lose Favors, we'll miss his rebounding. The Jazz outrebounded teams quite often by double digits during the late-season charge. We'll need to bring in a guy who will grab 8-10 boards. Crowder isn't that guy.
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I’m not certain if this was in reference to Niko or not. I have a huge pet peeve of playing non-rebounding wings at the four and calling them a stretch four. That’s why I don’t care for a lot of wings we discuss as playing the four. I’ve been a long-time supporter of Gobert/Favors because of what we saw after the Kanter trade. I’ve soured on that as the team around them has changed, in conjunction with Favors losing a lot of rim protecting ability (eye test, no idea what the stats are saying). I’ve always argued that we needed rebounding (regardless of what stats are saying about our rebounding), and last year wanted us to move for Bogut before Dallas took him, as our bench didn’t really have a true big man (Withey was never a part of any Snyder rotation, so I don’t count him). Being left with Diaw and Lyles off the bench was pretty bad. Those guys combined for like 6 rebounds per 36. Tl;dr is that I’ve always liked Favors/Gobert, but I think Favors has lost a lot of what made that great. I’ve never looked at him as a solid rebounder. I think putting a wing at the four can often highlight the advantages of a Gobert/Favors pairing, but what I think the real comparison needs to be is a legit 4 who can shoot paired with Rudy vs. Gobert/Favors, rather than Gobert/Favors vs. Gobert/some wing who grabs 5-6 rebounds per 36.

Regarding Niko’s rebounding, this past year he average 9.8 rebounds per 36 compared to Favors’ 9.2. His rebounding percentage was 14.6 tied with Favors’ 14.6. His rebounds per 36 in the playoffs was 9.7 vs. Favors’ 7.2. Playoffs rebound percentage was 14% to Favors’ 10.7%.

The bottom line on Niko:

The Niko ship has sailed. He proved himself a valuable piece of NOP roster. He’s made the discussion possible of whether or not to even keep Cousins. NOP wouldn’t trade him for nothing more than a pick, as we have no salary savings we can offer them (the only reason for them to do the deal). No way they take Burks and a pick (which is what we could have landed him with at the deadline).

I was very high on Niko when I knew we were a solid player away from being a strong playoff team. I wanted him because I knew there was no tank and that Rudy returning put us, at worst, as the best 1-2 teams that miss the playoffs. Our team exceeded that expectation and our identity is a bit different. I have no idea what the future holds. I hope we land someone good in the draft, or pick up someone good in a trade (which seems a lot less likely now that we can’t use the unguaranteeds), but I really don’t see any path for us to obtain Niko unless it’s as a FA in 2019.
 
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The Thriller said:
Speaking of Bradley... is he going to play this next year? What did he do this year? Did he play in the G league? How did he do? I don’t think I ever saw anything about him either in the dnews or in this forum.
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He played in the Gleague and played pretty well



Whether he plays or not next year is probably going to depend on how he does in summer league and training camp. Also depends on how our roster looks.
 
infection said:
Wow. I miss this thread for one day and it goes full Niko. For a couple pages, I thought I was back in the 200 pages Niko thread.

I’ve already said my piece about Niko, but a couple highlights as a few comments surfaced.

Regarding Niko’s three point shooting, his percentages don’t pop off the page. His percentages fit in the same range as every other perimeter shooting big with a reputation of being deadly from deep (Dirk, Love, Memo). FFS, even Larry Bird was a career 37.6% three point shooter in an era where the line was closer and he took a lot fewer attempts. Chris Mullin was 38.4% and Stockton 38.4%. But what separates Niko from those other big guys is his volume. No big man is putting up as many threes per minute as Niko — ever. To find comparable guys in attempts per minute, you have to move to guards and guys like Steph as a comparison. Him maintaining averages of Love, Memo, and Dirk on that many attempts is quite unreal.

With regard to his consistency, you see some steaks in his percentages. I’ve detailed in depth all of his numbers in Europe that give evidence that, at baseline, he’s closer to a 40% shooter from deep than a 35% shooter. I won’t dig that up again.

With regard to his defense, he’s sold as a terrible defender, which is what often happens to white guys or Europeans who are known as shooters but don’t have highlight defensive plays — people assume the status quo of good shooter / atrocious defender. That said, perhaps not the best guy guarding wings who are playing PF, but he brings other advantages if that happens.



I’m not certain if this was in reference to Niko or not. I have a huge pet peeve of playing non-rebounding wings at the four and calling them a stretch four. That’s why I don’t care for a lot of wings we discuss as playing the four. I’ve been a long-time supporter of Gobert/Favors because of what we saw after the Kanter trade. I’ve soured on that as the team around them has changed, in conjunction with Favors losing a lot of rim protecting ability (eye test, no idea what the stats are saying). I’ve always argued that we needed rebounding (regardless of what stats are saying about our rebounding), and last year wanted us to move for Bogut before Dallas took him, as our bench didn’t really have a true big man (Withey was never a part of any Snyder rotation, so I don’t count him). Being left with Diaw and Lyles off the bench was pretty bad. Those guys combined for like 6 rebounds per 36. Tl;dr is that I’ve always liked Favors/Gobert, but I think Favors has lost a lot of what made that great. I’ve never looked at him as a solid rebounder. I think putting a wing at the four can often highlight the advantages of a Gobert/Favors pairing, but what I think the real comparison needs to be is a legit 4 who can shoot paired with Rudy vs. Gobert/Favors, rather than Gobert/Favors vs. Gobert/some wing who grabs 5-6 rebounds per 36.

Regarding Niko’s rebounding, this past year he average 9.8 rebounds per 36 compared to Favors’ 9.2. His rebounding percentage was 14.6 tied with Favors’ 14.6. His rebounds per 36 in the playoffs was 9.7 vs. Favors’ 7.2. Playoffs rebound percentage was 14% to Favors’ 10.7%.

The bottom line on Niko:

The Niko ship has sailed. He proved himself a valuable piece of NOP roster. He’s made the discussion possible of whether or not to even keep Cousins. NOP wouldn’t trade him for nothing more than a pick, as we have no salary savings we can offer them (the only reason for them to do the deal). No way they take Burks and a pick (which is what we could have landed him with at the deadline).

I was very high on Niko when I knew we were a solid player away from being a strong playoff team. I wanted him because I knew there was no tank and that Rudy returning put us, at worst, as the best 1-2 teams that miss the playoffs. Our team exceeded that expectation and our identity is a bit different. I have no idea what the future holds. I hope we land someone good in the draft, or pick up someone good in a trade (which seems a lot less likely now that we can’t use the unguaranteeds), but I really don’t see any path for us to obtain Niko unless it’s as a FA in 2019.
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He’s coming... the churro told me.

#2019Nikowatch
 
SCS said:
He played in the Gleague and played pretty well



Whether he plays or not next year is probably going to depend on how he does in summer league and training camp. Also depends on how our roster looks.
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Man, his measurements are SUPER long. It's a shame he doesn't have more than what appears to be 6" vert.

Really hoping he's been killing it all off-season in the gym and gets into P3 and comes back in way better shape.
 
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