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Following Potential 2018 Draftees

Catchall said:
There's no way we would pass on Brown and Okobo for Grayson Allen, imo. There's nothing wrong with saying, "The Jazz like Allen." This doesn't mean the Jazz would draft him at #21 ahead of other guys.
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I trust DL... If they don't see it then I should not think I'm better than them. I just think what those two guys could be is tough to find. Browns' shooting is troublesome... he's young and if it wasn't bad he'd likely be picked top ten. Put him in the Royce, Joe, Ricky shooting school and get him going.

I like Okobo more, but might be irrationally high on him... I just think we need creators and he could be fantastic.
 
LoPo said:
I'm going to be blown away if we stay at #21.
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LoPo said:
Honestly, I would be shocked.
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Get ready.

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NUMBERICA said:
There's video of Huerter comfortably shooting and making 30-footers. The question mark was indicating that the evidence is there is literally video of it.
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He’ll ignore it.

Just like he keeps on calling Brunson a big PG even when the statistics show otherwise. Just like he thinks Jerome Robinson is good on defense. Just like he used PER to say MarShon Brooks was good last year (over a 7 game sample!).

He ain’t worth the words.
 
Allen ain’t all bad.

Good shooter.
Has the ability to get to the rim.
Can run an offense and be a role player (this is big).
Has some size deficiencies.
Good FT rate before he got overtaken by better players.

Y’all act like he’s a bum. He’s not exceptional, doesn’t have a high ceiling, but he’s not a bad player.
 
I also really like Thomas. I think he separates himself from Frazier and Okogie with his offense (better shooter and ballhandler). He's also a game-changer on defense in how he generates turnovers and disrupts the opposition, not just locking down his matchup.

I still like Huerter quite a bit more (I think there is a lot - not a little, A LOT - more upside), but I like Thomas a lot more than Allen.
 
JustTheTip said:
Allen ain’t all bad.

Good shooter.
Has the ability to get to the rim.
Can run an offense and be a role player (this is big).
Has some size deficiencies.
Good FT rate before he got overtaken by better players.

Y’all act like he’s a bum. He’s not exceptional, doesn’t have a high ceiling, but he’s not a bad player.
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I just don't see him ever starting (or consistently closing) for this team and I see other players on the board that I think could.
 
JustTheTip said:
Allen ain’t all bad.

Good shooter.
Has the ability to get to the rim.
Can run an offense and be a role player (this is big).
Has some size deficiencies.
Good FT rate before he got overtaken by better players.

Y’all act like he’s a bum. He’s not exceptional, doesn’t have a high ceiling, but he’s not a bad player.
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I think he is an NBA player and competes hard (and sometimes dirty). I just think he has little upside and what he does (theoretically) can be replaced with some smart FA money. I suspect he is a rotation player early on in season 1... just like Jalen Brunson. If you like those guys drop back and get something with it though. I think Allen goes to GS. I think there are a couple teams that would move up ahead of them for the right guy.
 
Allen was a winner on Thursday, putting together a combine that included a 40.5-inch max vertical and 32.5-inch standing vertical, both sixth best among all players. His 10.31-second lane agility time was the fastest at the combine and the fifth fastest in the database that goes back to 2000. His shuttle run of 3.04 seconds was third fastest among all players.

Put another way: Allen is one hell of an athlete. He converted 49 percent of his 2-pointers at Duke and got to the free throw line an average of 5.0 times per game in his final three seasons.
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Sounds like an unathletic bum to me.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I trust DL... If they don't see it then I should not think I'm better than them. I just think what those two guys could be is tough to find. Browns' shooting is troublesome... he's young and if it wasn't bad he'd likely be picked top ten. Put him in the Royce, Joe, Ricky shooting school and get him going.

I like Okobo more, but might be irrationally high on him... I just think we need creators and he could be fantastic.
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Look I think DL is great, but this blind trust in his pick is funny. Even in just the last two drafts he took Trey Lyles over Devin Booker and drafted Tony Bradley in front of Josh Hart and could've likely traded up a spot or two higher and taken Kuzma instead of the trade up to Bradley.

There's still a good chance he makes a mistake in the draft.
 
I don't care that Grayson Allen is white. I don't want the Jazz to draft him because he's 22 years old, he had mental issues on the court in college, and overall he underachieved in his career.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
Look I think DL is great, but this blind trust in his pick is funny. Even in just the last two drafts he took Trey Lyles over Devin Booker and drafted Tony Bradley in front of Josh Hart and could've likely traded up a spot or two higher and taken Kuzma instead of the trade up to Bradley.

There's still a good chance he makes a mistake in the draft.
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Trading Josh Hart for Bradley was straight up stupid, but you can't penalize someone for not successfully trading up to get a guy. Kuzma went where he went, and that is that.

Besides, how do you know that Kuzma wasn't the main guy he was initially targeting with that 28th pick (but he still liked Bradley, so just said "**** it" and rolled with it)?

DL is an elite GM. He's not perfect, but he is elite.
 
NUMBERICA said:
There's video of Huerter comfortably shooting and making 30-footers. The question mark was indicating that the evidence is there is literally video of it.
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So the fact Huerter is capable of making a 30 footer is evidence that he is better at it than another shooter? Sorry, having a hard time with that logic. There is video out there somewhere of me dunking. Just means i could do it. Doesn't mean I'm better at it than any random person.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I don't care that Grayson Allen is white. I don't want the Jazz to draft him because he's 22 years old, he had mental issues on the court in college, and overall he underachieved in his career.
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Underachieved in what way? In total the dude has played with 15 NBA players and a lot of top-10 picks. He has had to adjust more than any other player has.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
So the fact Huerter is capable of making a 30 footer is evidence that he is better at it than another shooter? Sorry, having a hard time with that logic. There is video out there somewhere of me dunking. Just means i could do it. Doesn't mean I'm better at it than any random person.
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Most people can't dunk, so it would, actually.

Furthermore, if you were dunking on people in a major conference, I would think it is reasonable to suggest that you are better at dunking than someone that has never done that.



Show me the video of Thomas comfortably shooting and making that many times from the same range (it might exist, but I also think scouts know what they're talking about too). Range matters.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Trading Josh Hart for Bradley was straight up stupid, but you can't penalize someone for not successfully trading up to get a guy. Kuzma went where he went, and that is that.

Besides, how do you know that Kuzma wasn't the main guy he was initially targeting with that 28th pick (but he still liked Bradley, so just said "**** it" and rolled with it)?

DL is an elite GM. He's not perfect, but he is elite.
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Lyles over Booker?
 
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