Stupid Pet Peeves

[One Brow]

I'm speaking in the aggregate; you are speaking in the specific.

Using generalities to paper over differences is poor reasoning.

You haven't given any proof behind cultural ties. If anything, makeup is cross cultural. Makeup is universally used to create the allusion of youth and thus fertility. I doubt you can find many examples (even neck stretching is out), that goes against attractive enhancement .

What would constitute proof on this topic, to you? I'm looking for the best explanation. You have already acknowledged that some make-up is not used to create the illusion of youth, so it is clearly not universally used for this reason. When I was in high school, girls used make-up to look older. I already gave the example of the bindi; how many examples is "many"?

The best indicator of fertility is recent childbirth. If make-up were really about indicating fertility, we would be seeing women with binkie hanging from their ears and carrying diaper bags to nightclubs, even if they did not have a kid.

Changing culture won't change attraction, and makeup choice will follow as necessary.

Less than 500 years ago, in Anglo culture, the ideal woman shape was plump and the ideal skin tone was ivory/alabaster. Today, it is thin with tanned skin. There have been other variances over time. You think that's all biological and not cultural?

Cultural norms definitely drive attractiveness; there are only a couple that are universal (such as symmetry). Make-up choice follows these cultural norms.

 

[moevillini]

when I can't follow a discussion...


like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

The best indicator of fertility is recent childbirth. If make-up were really about indicating fertility, we would be seeing women with binkie hanging from their ears and carrying diaper bags to nightclubs, even if they did not have a kid.



Less than 500 years ago, in Anglo culture, the ideal woman shape was plump and the ideal skin tone was ivory/alabaster. Today, it is thin with tanned skin. There have been other variances over time. You think that's all biological and not cultural?

Cultural norms definitely drive attractiveness; there are only a couple that are universal (such as symmetry). Make-up choice follows these cultural norms.

Such a silly argument. Fertility and the burden of somebody else's child don't blend well in the gene passing on instinct, obviously.

And I didn't know you lived 500 years ago and mentally separated necessity (famine) from attractiveness.

There is a reason all the goddess's of sexuality, love & lust are curvy, womanly shaped with c cup breasts. From Inanna (Ishtar) to Chinese goddesses to Aphrodite. Coincidence? Hmmm.

It's not much of a discussion when one side can't see the 800 lb gorilla in the room so I'll bow out. Thanks for making me think though.

 

[RJF]

when I can't follow a discussion...


like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?

So much this!

 

[One Brow]

Such a silly argument. Fertility and the burden of somebody else's child don't blend well in the gene passing on instinct, obviously.

The notion of "the burden of somebody else's child" is cultural, not biological. If it were about fertility, "someone else's child" would not matter.

And I didn't know you lived 500 years ago and mentally separated necessity (famine) from attractiveness.

I'm sure even today you can tell the difference between thin and suffering from famine. We do have records from 500 years ago with descriptions of beauty (poetry, painting, plays, etc.), so I'm not sure why I would have to have lived that long ago.

There is a reason all the goddess's of sexuality, love & lust are curvy, womanly shaped with c cup breasts. From Inanna (Ishtar) to Chinese goddesses to Aphrodite. Coincidence? Hmmm.

I'm glad to see you agree with my point that standards of attractiveness have changed rapidly. Even so, depictions would (and still do) vary from artist to artist, and certainly culture to culture (not all cultures are as breast-obsessed as ours).

One of many counterexamples to c-cupped fertility goddesses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xochiquetzal

It's not much of a discussion when one side can't see the 800 lb gorilla in the room so I'll bow out. Thanks for making me think though.

I thought of our disagreement as being where the gorilla came from, but I agree we seem to be going around in circles. I thank you as well.

 

[One Brow]

when I can't follow a discussion...


like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?

Women who put their makeup on while driving a car. Literally, driving a moving vehicle down the freeway.
Get your *** out of bed twenty minutes earlier!

 

[Jack Strop]

Little ****ers who get up at 3:50am and won’t go back to sleep.

Hell, i have that problem with the old lady who lives below the condo I rent. She's up early and wharever the hell she does sounds like a pack of elephants stampeding to the watering hole.

Or i hear her outside calling to her cats to come inside. And, of course, having to get up at 6 for work, I usually cant fall back asleep after 4.

 

[The Midnight]

Who now?

You know who you are.

 

[Miggs]

You know who you are.

Me?

 

[moevillini]

Women who put their makeup on while driving a car. Literally, driving a moving vehicle down the freeway.
Get your *** out of bed twenty minutes earlier!

when I can't follow a discussion...


like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?

poor bigb, can't even enjoy his pet peeve without a discussion about it going off the rails

if I were bigb, this would be a pet peeve too!

 

[moevillini]

the way my husband sleeps on top of the sheet - very annoying...

 

[Jack Strop]

I do that too. But i go further. I sleep on top of a blanket. I just hate the feel of sheets...ecept flannel ones in winter.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I hate trying to park my truck (i suck at it) so i always park really far away where there are no cars around.

If you’re turning left to park between cars, turn wide and aim your driver side tire at the left side of the vehicle to the right of your spot. Then crank your wheel to the right, back up, and you should be able to pull straight ahead into your spot. Piece of cake.

 

[RandyForRubio]

****tard neighbor mowing his lawn at 9:45pm by car headlight.

I have done this lol

 

[bigb]

poor bigb, can't even enjoy his pet peeve without a discussion about it going off the rails

if I were bigb, this would be a pet peeve too!

Trust me...I’m just working on my aim.

 

[babe]

why do you bother saying stuff everybody knows.

I dunno, this was a stupid post..... inspired by the lengthy discourse above about makeup and eugenics, I think, rather than evolution.

eugenics has gotten an ill-deserved bad rap on racist issues, but everyone should think about responsible breeding.

makeup is a cheap imitation of our core values, of course. How to trick a guy or gal into being interested, on colors rather than displays of strength or intelligence, as the Scots used to have in contests throwing stones and getting payola from the English.

Outwitting the English should be an Olympic sport even today.

I've tried to throw out a few clues elsewhere.....

I guess my main pet peeve about this place is no humor. At least this thread should stay on topic....

 

[babe]

when I can't follow a discussion...


like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?

guys getting outwitted by dames with superficial distractions, I'd guess......

but hey, it's high intelligence to go directly to the level of intellect of the people you're dealing with.....

 

[babe]

San Francisco, the alabaster shining city on the hill, becoming pooptown with the homeless and illegals camping on the beaches, in the little groves, under Freeway bridges, in the parks, and in every side alley.

politicians making the USA third world everywhere they can stuff the ballot boxes.

Sacramento has slums like that too, as do Stockton and even Lodi, and every little runoff channel with enough trees to hide the campfires....

downtown LA, the LA river channel, and every clump of trees in Orange County. Eastside San Diego hills.....

yep we've got room for compassionate ignorance of our own poor, as well as the slave labor run our cartel Ag and casinos require.

God I've gotta quit coming to JFC.

 

[Rubashov]

A friend of mine did something so horrible tonight i cannot call him a friend anymore, if he didn't have a wife and a couple of kids that i know i would have given him a touch up. Sitting at home just horrified.

 

[JazzGal]

A friend of mine did something so horrible tonight i cannot call him a friend anymore, if i he didn't have a wife and a couple of kids that i know i would have given him a touch up. Sitting at home just horrified.

It's so weird when you think you know someone pretty well, and then they completely surprise you. I'm sorry you are having to see that person in a new and terrible light, and that your friendship will perhaps not ever be the same.