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Wait Dutch is back?
what problem?
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Red
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Not only that, but with a gun I'll have no trouble taking on the National Security State when it comes time to arrest my subversive ***.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I guess I am fortunate to live in good neighborhoods. The sort of fear she is talking about (admittedly, I only listened to the first few minutes before getting tired of hearing her repeat herself) is completely foreign to me. I think there are times that I've felt uncomfortable about a situation, but that has happened to me in Europe, too.
It happened once.
Canada failed to recognize the opportunity, and you're still a SUBJECT, not a citizen because of that failure.
JimLes
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I know. My day-to-day life would be so much better if only I had Trump for president instead of some old woman in London.
It has been said that "The pen is mightier than the sword". IMO, the pen is mightier than guns or bombs even nuclear, but without the gun in the hands of autonomous private individuals, the megalomaniacal power-obsessed types can surely ignore what is said, written, or posted online with much less irrational fear.
IMO, that is why today's fascist left and right are united in supporting gun control as well as regulating online offerings.
I have saved your comments about armed resistance, bro. Fun stuff. Yours and some others. The convenience of no memory. But my memory is not only pretty good, it is supported by actual evidence.
I have never advocated armed resistance, just made the point that guns in the hands of citizens can cause irrational fears in people who contemplate mass abuse of the populace.
Indifference to the possibilities of making things better is not great recommendation for anyone in any political camp.
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How do you think the US became independent, with flowers and kindness?
JimLes
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There might have been a few changes to the world in the past 250 years. A more recent example, say, from this millennium would probably strengthen your argument.
Which country? The US relied on raised armies, not private citizens.
DutchJazzer
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Fine. How does 2010-11 sound?
South Sudan.
Yes there are differences, but their will always be differences. Population numbers, geography, religious leanings, educations, firearm access numbers, social media... none of them really line up with America as an example though. Only thing that would even come close IMO is it happening one russia or across the EU.
Other revolutions/protests/civil wars that lead to new governments since 2000s... Tunisia, Ukraine, Yemen and Maldives.
We are watching things play out in Venezuela as we speak.
JimLes
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Ignoring the fact that South Sudan is a failed state currently undergoing a brutal civil war, how exactly did armed private citizens defeat the Sudanese army and overthrow the Sudanese president who is still in the office?
Filipinos in the streets staring down President Marcos' army with tanks on the streets is my idea of a better way. The Filipinos were not armed, and the troops had actual compassion and sympathy. It did not work out that way in Tienamen Square, though.
Filipinos have a constitution modeled after the US. I saw a lot of people with guns in open carry. Gangster-style drive-by shootings of local politicians happened once in a while, and I was in some areas actually controlled by the communist Huks. Jeeps driving on the streets with four or five guys with AK-47 or whatever actual military rifles. I was picked up a few times, and taken home where I was fed a nice meal by the folks because I could smile and listen and even produced a Book of Mormon, which I described as relevant to the issue of fatass corporate bastards including guvmint officials of all kinds having their own ways of bettering themselves. I learned that most of the commies actually were from the families of the very very wealthy few, and that it was not uncommon for them to go home to daddy and play nice.
China I don't know much about, never been there. But I think it is likely true that there are few guns in private hands, and there is a much stronger culture of compliance.
Sure it’s **** now. But that wasn’t the goal post. They are free of him.
The British attempted to remove arms from private citizens, to deny access to gunpowder. That is what the Midnight Ride of Paul Revere and the shooting at Lexington and Concord was all about. Citizens were then in the process of forming organizations like the Minute Men, but there were no colonial armies at that time.
The colonial armies were generally reliant on volunteers with their own weapons.
The French Navy was especially helpful in regard to forcing the surrender of Cornwallis, but the British enlisted foreign mercenaries and induced many native American Indian tribes to harass American rebels on the frontiers.
Red
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I'm not exactly sure what you're implying here, but then there's nothing new in that. Your posts often jump around in a manner that loses me. I'll just say that's a lacking on my part. I will say I have never owned a gun. And my point was that I think it's a pretty silly scenario to envision an armed response of citizenry to a 21st century National Security State, which seemed to actually be where you were heading and what I at least thought I was replying to. So, if you honestly believe I am advocating armed resistance, then I guess you're reading into my comments, past or present, ideas that are simply not there. This isn't 1776, and I am not a fool.
Red
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And I'll add this, as silly, and naive, and unprovable as it will seem to anyone and everyone. The bottom line for me is that I believe we are spiritual beings on a human journey. And the whole purpose of human existence is to realize that and spiritualize this plane of existence. I believe we are all co-creators of this world, this universe in fact. I think we have forgotten who we are and why we are here. And violence, and hate have no place in the eventual realization of who we are and why we have chosen to be here.
And, obviously, we seem to be as far removed from the Truth now, as at any other time in history. And the West, in particular, has fallen very far in relation to the truth. My utopia does not involve guns, or national security states of any kind. But I do believe many of us have chosen to live at this time in order to bear witness.
And I do believe there will come a day when mankind remembers what we humans are, what our true nature is, and how to transform this world in a manner more conforming to the truth of our existence. I will be in my grave, this time around, before that happens, but it is my belief it will happen. Yes, I believe there is purpose to our lives, and bringing that higher purpose to fruition on Earth is our goal and we will "get it" one day. I cannot look at History and cite evidence of my dream, but I nonetheless believe this dream. For now, I will just continue to bear witness and help my friends and loved ones understand.
I live in the Dark Ages. But I love the Truth, and that Truth will triumph one day.