As for the part about that staffer not being the “resistance” he is absolutely correct. They are in it for themselves. Not America.
Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking
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As for the part about that staffer not being the “resistance” he is absolutely correct. They are in it for themselves. Not America.
Latest development: Manafort to cooperate fully with prosecuter as part of his plea agreement. http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...t-pleads-guilty-reaches-cooperation-agreement
Mueller is a badass.
Trump supporters have been trying to discredit him and write him off. At some point they are going to realize who this guy is. He has absolutely dedicated his life to the service of the United States.
Trump supporters have been trying to discredit him and write him off. At some point they are going to realize who this guy is. He has absolutely dedicated his life to the service of the United States.
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Mueller is a badass.
Trump supporters have been trying to discredit him and write him off. At some point they are going to realize who this guy is. He has absolutely dedicated his life to the service of the United States.
Mmmmmmmm
The amount of time has nothing to do with anything.
There is debate as to whether or not a President can be indicted, so there may be no charges against Trump even if he has committed crimes.
Trump has almost certainly obstructed justice. In the legal sense. It's almost a no-brainer. The question is whether or not as a society we consider this thing that has been a crime to still be a crime when it comes to one man who goes by the name Trump. And if we think it's worth holding him accountable for it.
If it’s a “no brained” why not charge him? Make it an issue. Put those with the absurd notion that a president cannot be indicted on the spot. Elements of the media are begging for a smoking gun.
I have doubts. Doubts of proof.
Why interrupt a bigger investigation to hurry up with an easy obstruction case?
Question for you. Is removing trump now more important than letting a longer possible investigation worth it to you?
I’m openly, and loudly as proven, skeptical of all of them. From Trump to Meuller. From Fienstien to Cruz.
Finding out the extent to which Russia interfered in our elections is paramount. They are undeniably an adversary and we need to know what they did, what they can do, and what they might try to do in the future. For me that is absolutely the most important part of the investigation.
Trump serving his term, as elected, is sad but fine by me. He isn't competent. That is and has always been my biggest concern. I don't like the guy. I'd like to see him suffer all imaginable disgraces for my own satisfaction, but that isn't the priority in real terms. I want to know what the threat to my nation is. I care about the United States. Deeply. I want to know we are safe and that the apparatus built to protect us is operating effectively. Trump gives me little confidence.
olden_undercover
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This is the crux of it for me, too. I don't understand how anybody can listen to the man speak, observe how fragile and sensitive he is, know that he is constantly spinning lies about the stupidest ****, and still think to themselves, "Yeah-- this guy really inspires me, and I trust him to run this country".
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I think we forget sometimes that the Mueller investigation is about shedding light on what the Russians did in interfering in our election. An additional responsibility was finding out if, and to what extent, the Trump campaign was aware of Russian efforts and assisted in those efforts. During this process, it does strike me as well that the president committed obstruction of justice. Since proving intent is so important where obstruction is concerned, Mueller has obviously wanted to interview the president. But he may have enough now to proceed without that interview, although I'm not sure of that at all. It was, however, my understanding that he has let it known he will follow Justice Department guidelines and not indict a sitting president. That leaves presenting some kind of report to Rosenstein, who can decide to make it known to the public. Or not. And who can refer the report to Congress for Congress to decide if impeachment is warranted.
I think we all know that obstruction can occur without there even being an underlying crime being obstructed. It's a crime on its own, whether or not there was actually a conspiracy involving Russia as a state actor, and the Trump campaign. Answering that question is the focus of the media, and the reason Cohen and Manafort agreeing to cooperate with Mueller is considered so important by the media.
Everything I have read about Robert Mueller says he is a cautious, by the books, guy, and that he will need solid evidence of crimes being committed. Manafort seems to be the biggest fish so far to cooperate with the state. We may be a long way from the end of the investigation. Given the frenzy among the media, I can only admire Mueller for what a tight lipped ship he has been running. But nobody expected Manafort to flip, and here we are, one more Trump associate pleading guilty, and the one with the closest ties to Russia.
And one reason some have assumed that Trump is an asset of Russia, and has been so pro-Putin, and anti-Western alliance, seems to lie in Trump's decades long ties to the Russian mob, a crime syndicate that is inseparable from the Russian state:
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-russia-business-ties-mafia-putin-craig-unger
I think we all know that obstruction can occur without there even being an underlying crime being obstructed. It's a crime on its own, whether or not there was actually a conspiracy involving Russia as a state actor, and the Trump campaign. Answering that question is the focus of the media, and the reason Cohen and Manafort agreeing to cooperate with Mueller is considered so important by the media.
Everything I have read about Robert Mueller says he is a cautious, by the books, guy, and that he will need solid evidence of crimes being committed. Manafort seems to be the biggest fish so far to cooperate with the state. We may be a long way from the end of the investigation. Given the frenzy among the media, I can only admire Mueller for what a tight lipped ship he has been running. But nobody expected Manafort to flip, and here we are, one more Trump associate pleading guilty, and the one with the closest ties to Russia.
And one reason some have assumed that Trump is an asset of Russia, and has been so pro-Putin, and anti-Western alliance, seems to lie in Trump's decades long ties to the Russian mob, a crime syndicate that is inseparable from the Russian state:
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-russia-business-ties-mafia-putin-craig-unger
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RandyForRubio
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Trump orders the declassification of Carter Page FISA application and the public release of "all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
Should be interesting to see all of this.
Should be interesting to see all of this.
Trump sounds pretty reasonable to me. Maybe he was hoping to win some points for being personable and friendly about it all.
So Bob swims in his own little pool, drinks the cool-aid I suppose. In an environment of committed opposition zealots it comes to be a sort of culture within itself. Trump might have some zealots in his tank too, who knows. Everything we here is bias, nothing really fair or objective, from the Trumpdumpsters. It's been an all-out attack on the electoral system because..... well.…. the people who own Bob and his team..... are so looney they can't stand living in the daylight of truth.... a lot of Americans voted for Trump.
Sour grapes.
Trump tried to be inclusive and brought in all kinds of people, hoping perhaps to build wider support. Trump even endorsed Romney as candidate for US Senate from Utah, someone who for sure could have made huge contributions to the race to the bottom in civility towards Trump. Trump even gave Mitch McConnell's wife Elaine Chou the significant post in his cabinet that can be used to the benefit of her Commie Chinese business "associates".
So the Chinese thought Trump would be a lush in trade deals.....
I think that is perhaps Trump's worst pick. I think he should fire Chou. Period.
Lots of folks in Trumps inner circle are fundamentally Trumpdumpsters.
Dunno what Trump will do if he finds out who's juicing up Bob's lurid tales. Sure lurid and stupid stuff can be taped, like everything else.
Trump is not my idea of a good President, but I voted for him, and will vote for him again.
This thread is about the stupid insinuation that Trump fired Comey to cover up some kind of Russian line of influence. As of now, we know that he was basically "set up" to fire Comey…. though he would and should have done it himself on his own, and even Hillary might have fired Comey. Actually, I don't think so now. Hillary thought Comey had turned on her, but he was just posturing to cover his trail a bit. He was Hillary's boy all along.
Trump was spied on at the beck and call of Hillary and Obama, by criminal elements in the highest levels of the DOJ and FBI, who broke every law that stood in the way of one politician harnessing government assets to damage another politician.....err.... well.... Trump's no politician, but he is a contender.
I really feel sorry for you folks who believed the "news". Gonna be a hard thing to come to grips with, being played for such fools by pro political manipulators.
I'm thinking it will take more than one go at the DC Swamp to change things. Maybe by round two or three you'll start to see it for what it is.
I'm still willing to help anyone on the Deprogramming Thread......
Manafort's lawyer says the cooperation relates only to the personal charges, nothing to do with Trump.
It's gonna save the guv some money not doing the trial, which would politically damage Dem in the coming months. Mueller is basically getting ready to fly outta the country.
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Not taking any chances at least. Also sounds like Mueller liked what he heard when Manafort briefed the government on what he could bring to the table. Doesn't mean Trump will be the bigger fish. Maybe junior, Roger Stone, Kushner. Or maybe Trump.