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colton said:
Fwiw I've called myself a moderate Republican multiple times on this site over the years. When I was a teenager in Maryland I would have said just Republican, but when I moved to Utah for college I realized I was WAY more moderate than the Utah Republicans were. I probably have gotten slightly more moderate since moving back to Utah 11 years ago. I haven't changed my views too much in the past 3 years, although being very anti Trump I have been feeling towards the Republicans a bit like Reagan felt towards the Democrats (he was originally a Democrat), something like "I haven't moved away from them, they have moved away from me." And I proudly voted third party this past presidential election.

Depending on what the Mueller probe concludes and how the Republicans in Congress respond to it, I may take the plunge and register as an independent. We'll see.
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Yeah and you have never once tried to portray yourself as anything other than that.

When I said that you were more a Republican 3 years ago it was 100% because 3 years ago the Republicans had a different party.

And yeah I do think if Reagan were alive in 2018 he would be a Democrat again. Original Amnesty for immigrants that was Reagan.

Was Reagan more like Obama or Trump? It isn't even close. Obama and Reagan are almost the same dude. Trump is the x rated version of a Disney made for TV movie villain.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You think your pleasant day of camping compares to Ford being sexually assaulted by two drunken teenagers?
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Pleasant? Did you even read the post?

And are you really supposing that someone would remember every single unrelated detail about a specific tragic event? It's like you're making stuff up.
 
♪alt13 said:
Most people are pretty consistent. They may have some things they disagree with their team on but those issues are often cursory. The 2 most common groupings of viewpoints are mirrored back at us by the parties designed to win votes/arguments... and they do.
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I understand where you're coming from on this. And although in some ways I agree, I really think that our politicians are more of a caricature of us then they are reflection. I think they focus on the hot-button topics that they know will drive their constituency into a panic or a frenzy and get them up in arms to defend their territory, so to speak.

I think if they really mirrored what their constituency wanted there would be a lot more compromise and a lot less fighting.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You think your pleasant day of camping compares to Ford being sexually assaulted by two drunken teenagers?
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What was the date and time that your grandparents were buried?

Can't recall precisely? Well then the rest of your memories of that day(s ) are suspect. Your grandparents are probably living in Brazil with Hitler and Elvis.

#truth
 
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LogGrad98 said:
I understand where you're coming from on this. And although in some ways I agree, I really think that our politicians are more of a caricature of us then they are reflection. I think they focus on the hot-button topics that they know will drive their constituency into a panic or a frenzy and get them up in arms to defend their territory, so to speak.

I think if they really mirrored what their constituency wanted there would be a lot more compromise and a lot less fighting.
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Like the compromise in this thread?


We like to think that we like compromise but more often than not we won't let compromise get in the way of a good fight.
 
♪alt13 said:
Like the compromise in this thread?


We like to think that we like compromise but more often than not we won't let compromise get in the way of a good fight.
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Come on, be real. This is a (semi)anonymous internet forum. Internet forums are not exactly well-known for rational conscientious discourse.
 
♪alt13 said:
Have you not had this similar discussion in real life?
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Sure. Never with the level of vitriol I see on the internet. And of course people disagree, that's kind of a big durrr. But imo the current atmosphere of us vs them is fostered and exacerbated by the politicians for the express purpose of maintaining or expanding their power.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Sure. Never with the level of vitriol I see on the internet. And of course people disagree, that's kind of a big durrr. But imo the current atmosphere of us vs them is fostered and exacerbated by the politicians for the express purpose of maintaining or expanding their power.
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Ohh man we live different lives

Me and my brother were on the verge of a fist fight over demographics and high school football like 2 weeks ago. We agreed on about 99% but that 1%.

Ohhh man
Good times
 
♪alt13 said:
Most people are pretty consistent. They may have some things they disagree with their team on but those issues are often cursory. The 2 most common groupings of viewpoints are mirrored back at us by the parties designed to win votes/arguments... and they do.
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Part of the is the feedback effect playing on the desire to fit in with one's chosen political group.
 
Both my parents were Democrats, though I doubt either were registered. They lived, as do I, in one of our nation's liberal bastions.

I remember where I was when Kennedy was killed. Like many who lived through that, it seemed like the country was never the same. After that event, we descended into more assassinations, the Vietnam War, and Watergate. I have spoken to many people about that
time, and most agree some kind of innocence was lost, and it all began with JFK's death. It's probably not true, but to many it did, and still does, feel that way. It just feels like the country entered a downward spiral, and we all see the JFK murder as the start of it.

When I came of voting age, I voted for Lyndon Johnson, who had a very ambitious domestic policy. The Great Society and all.

But I was in college and grad school during the Johnson and Nixon years, and the Vietnam War radicalized me. I was very active in the anti war movement, and the broad cultural revolution of the 60's and early 70's. There is something about being part of such a revolutionary movement that is enlivening. It seemed like we were part of something larger then ourselves, poised and ready to change the world. Well, that's youth for you. I do very much miss those days and those feelings. I am friends with many Vietnam vets, and I recognize that somebody must have served in my place, at least I look at it that way, even if it's not really true. My close friends say that is foolish, but those who served and survived still hurt very much, and I know that might have been me, were I not a privlaged kid in college.

I remember voting for Carter in 1976. But from that election until the 2016 election, I stayed asleep politically. I think the radicalization of the 60's and 70's turned me off to our politics. I just saw my country as another empire, one of many in the world's history. I guess I felt like a stranger in a strange land.

Trump changed everything for me. I woke up again politically, the last thing I expected to happen at this late stage of my life. It hurts, it really does. Trump hurts. I thought I didn't care anymore, but found out I did. I'm torn between wanting to just ignore it all, and not being able to take my eyes off it. I understood why people were turned off by Clinton, but I did not want to see Trump happen. But he did, and here we are, but I don't see today's youth caring as much as my generation did back in the 60's.
 
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Zombie said:
Just awesome.

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“Appold said that he initially asked to remain anonymous because he hoped to make contact first with the classmate who, to the best of his recollection, told him about the party and was an eyewitness to the incident. He said that he had not been able to get any response from that person, despite multiple attempts to do so. The New Yorker reached the classmate, but he said that he had no memory of the incident.”


The FBI is not going to do an interview of a 2nd/3rd hand account. Once they found out the originator had no memory, the story should end. Have we lost journalism ethics?

And Appold may be quite bright, but he doesn’t know what “corroborate” means.
 
Up until abortion became a large issue, my father was a social Dem, fiscal Conservative. Voted both party many times. My mother on the other hand is very conservative.

Despite living in an incredibly conservative area (my family was thought of as the liberals of our group) we did manage to make family friends with Senator Max Baucus, and we’re pretty friendly with Senator Tester as well.

It’s funny. When you go to DC, or state events and talk to your representatives, they don’t disagree on much. But the parties don’t like it when they cross lines, so they don’t. Getting re-elected matters more than doing what they want.
 
Red said:
Both my parents were Democrats, though I doubt either were registered. They lived, as do I, in one of our nation's liberal bastions.

I remember where I was when Kennedy was killed. Like many who lived through that, it seemed like the country was never the same. After that event, we descended into more assassinations, the Vietnam War, and Watergate. I have spoken to many people about that
time, and most agree some kind of innocence was lost, and it all began with JFK's death. It's probably not true, but to many it did, and still does, feel that way. It just feels like the country entered a downward spiral, and we all see the JFK murder as the start of it.
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When anyone mentions the loss of American innocence, I think of this story. Warning: Language and content.
 
JustTheTip said:
“Appold said that he initially asked to remain anonymous because he hoped to make contact first with the classmate who, to the best of his recollection, told him about the party and was an eyewitness to the incident. He said that he had not been able to get any response from that person, despite multiple attempts to do so. The New Yorker reached the classmate, but he said that he had no memory of the incident.”


The FBI is not going to do an interview of a 2nd/3rd hand account. Once they found out the originator had no memory, the story should end. Have we lost journalism ethics?

And Appold may be quite bright, but he doesn’t know what “corroborate” means.
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I disagree that the FBI wouldn't do interviews of secondhand or third hand accounts. They would if for no other reason than to get the name of the individual who could potentially provide a first hand account.

Again this isn't a court of law. If someone told me about an event that took place years ago, and then another individual, completely independantly, said yeah I remember so and so telling me about this when it happenned, and then gave me details that match the first account, I'm going to believe that it happenned. I think most people would tbh.
 
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