Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[Zombie]

Anyone expect this to matter at all?

 

[JazzGal]

How many of you mirror or are primarily influenced by your parents political views? How many have opposite political stances?

My parents are both Republican. My siblings are all Republican. I believe I am the only one in my immediate family not registered as part of a specific party (I was a registered Republican in my younger days, but I became unaffiliated long before my views completely shifted). Now my views are quite different from my family members on almost everything (not just politics). But at least we all agree that we love the Jazz. It's something.

 

[Zombie]

How many of you mirror or are primarily influenced by your parents political views? How many have opposite political stances?

My politics were very conservative until my early twenties, which mirrored my parents own views. I even voted for W!

Now of course, our politics differ greatly. Most of this is due to my own views changing, but a steady diet of Breitbart, Rush, and Fox News has also made my father, and much of the rest of my family, full on MAGA. It's been incredibly depressing.

I'm just glad to have a single sibling, in a family of 9, to share political views with.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

I don't believe any group of people can control history to their liking. Small conspiracies are possible, and happen, but controlling the course of events to the degree that the flow of history is channeled to whatever the predetermined desired outcome happens to be is virtually impossible.

I agree no one group has complete control. But before the advent of the internet is was very possible to have significant control of information.

In Japan they left out Pearl Harbor in the history books, so to those kids it never happened. My wife went to school outside the United States, they learned there are 6 continents, so to them there are 6. The publishers of the school books are companies like Rand McNally etc.

https://mediachecker.wordpress.com/...-the-media-in-america-the-illusion-of-choice/

Another example of the clever devils, when I was in University I published a report on Net Neutrality. I was in favor of it. Well guess what? Powerful forces who wanted to take it away found out how unfavorable it was so they changed the meaning of the word! The bill that took it away was titled "Net Neutrality" and the media went right along with it. Now someone reading my paper would think I am in favor of this BS when it was the exact opposite. (sanity thankfully returned years later and more people understand the original meaning but still they were successful at confusing people and getting it taken)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...ding-heres-how-your-internet-use-could-change

I used this as my litmus test to discover which politicians were wise, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, and Ron Paul were the only politicians running for President in 2008 that understood this concept (Or were at least honest about it.)

Facebook, Reddit, Twitter are censoring more everyday like a Boa on it's prey by throttling, shadow banning etc.

Paul was the head of the congressional committee that oversees the Federal Reserve and he published he knew more of the internal operations of the CIA than he did the Federal Reserve - that's how much they don't want you who the real power brokers are. The richest people in the world you'll never see on the Forbes top 100 list. It's all a show. You'll never know their names. 80% of the worlds trade is in USD$, which is all imaginary(Ben Bernanke couldn't even define what a Dollar is). You control the USD you then have affect on 80% of the worlds commerce. Those are the real issues that matter and the founders of this country understood well the methods of tyrants. Make fun all you want, doesn't matter.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Pleasant? Did you even read the post?

And are you really supposing that someone would remember every single unrelated detail about a specific tragic event? It's like you're making stuff up.

Yeah, and I went back and re-read it as a result of your comment:

I had a camping trip after high school I remember some details vividly. We were more on a ridge and we look down to other campsites. Some had set up a volleyball net and someone down there was blasting really obnoxious music. Bunch of us found a felled tree that some decided to carve a bench out of. We discussed philosophy and I remembered that conversation leading me to really dislike philosophy as a whole. I had an honest conversation with an ex-girlfriend that made me feel better but her worse.

I don't remember if it was the summer after high school, the year after, or the year after that

I must have misinterpereted how obnoxious the music was or how much you dislike philosophy. It sounds like a pretty good evening to me. Regardless, Ford's evening changed her life. Two drunken men attempted to rape her. She could no longer be in small spaces, for life. She had to have multiple exits available, for life. I would bet it changed her impressions of a lot of things like men, dating, drinking, parties, friends, etc. There should be literally dozens of markers for her to say, "Oh yeah, that's when this happened." But nothing other than running into Mark Law briefly several months later. We are supposed to research Safeway's personnel records to figure out when it happened?

It amazes me how content so many people are to believe her story without pressing her for more accurate details. As bizarre as it sounds, many people are saying that the gaps, lack of corroboration and inconsistencies even improve the credibility. I heard a man on CNN talking about it who blew my mind with his lust for believing anything Ford said and needing no evidence whatsoever.

Think back to when you lost your virginity. Can you remember any details? Could you at least nail down the year if you were going to have to testify about it before Congress. I could easily, and I can think of at least a dozen specific events that happened in close proximity in order to help me come up with an accurate date. I think I could figure otu the exact day if I absolutely had to because I can think of some school events that would help me pin down the moment and I'm sure the calendars still exist somewhere. Even if you grant that the location and most of the other details might be forgotten because of the stress, how can you argue that it's impossible to remember other events that happened before and after to help you nail down the timeframe?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

[/QUOTE]
Do the reports that she was recently calling classmates to see if they could help her remember whether it was Brett or someone else who pulled his pants down matter to anyone?

What was the date and time that your grandparents were buried?

Can't recall precisely? Well then the rest of your memories of that day(s ) are suspect. Your grandparents are probably living in Brazil with Hitler and Elvis.

#truth

I could figure these out precisely and easily.

 

[Zombie]

Yeah, and I went back and re-read it as a result of your comment:
I must have misinterpereted how obnoxious the music was or how much you dislike philosophy. It sounds like a pretty good evening to me. Regardless, Ford's evening changed her life. Two drunken men attempted to rape her. She could no longer be in small spaces, for life. She had to have multiple exits available, for life. I would bet it changed her impressions of a lot of things like men, dating, drinking, parties, friends, etc. There should be literally dozens of markers for her to say, "Oh yeah, that's when this happened." But nothing other than running into Mark Law briefly several months later. We are supposed to research Safeway's personnel records to figure out when it happened?

It amazes me how content so many people are to believe her story without pressing her for more accurate details. As bizarre as it sounds, many people are saying that the gaps, lack of corroboration and inconsistencies even improve the credibility. I heard a man on CNN talking about it who blew my mind with his lust for believing anything Ford said and needing no evidence whatsoever.

Think back to when you lost your virginity. Can you remember any details? Could you at least nail down the year if you were going to have to testify about it before Congress. I could easily, and I can think of at least a dozen specific events that happened in close proximity in order to help me come up with an accurate date. I think I could figure otu the exact day if I absolutely had to because I can think of some school events that would help me pin down the moment and I'm sure the calendars still exist somewhere. Even if you grant that the location and most of the other details might be forgotten because of the stress, how can you argue that it's impossible to remember other events that happened before and after to help you nail down the timeframe?

I could easily tell you the year, just as Blasey Ford did, but I couldn't tell you the month, day of the week, or time. Just that it was summer time. I couldn't tell you whether I walked through the front door, or whether she snuck me in through her window. I don't remember if we were alone, or whether her sister was also home.

Anyway, memory is a funny thing, and brain chemistry gets even more strange during traumatic events. What do you make of this?

Matthew Long, a defense attorney who once worked for Mitchell as a sex-crimes prosecutor, was quoted as calling her “the best” in a story in a local newspaper last week, before the memo was issued. On Monday, Long said he was surprised to see that she cited Ford’s gaps in memory as evidence of the weakness of her allegation.

“The things that she’s highlighting that say that Dr. Ford is not credible are the very things she has taught me to ignore and not rely on,” he said in an interview. The memo, he said, “demonstrates she’s abandoned what she knows to be true in favor of being a political operative.”

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

@Joe Bagadonuts is far right Republican

If I am I am a very unique far right Republican. You can't find other far right republicans who voted for Evan McMullin in 2016, oppose Brett Kavanaugh on the basis of judicial temperament, support gay marriage, have contributed significant content to a pro-Mexican immigrant documentary project, voted for Obama in 2008, etc.

What I think is more true is that JazzFanz political discussion boards lean surprisingly far left so I seem like an outlier even though I'm a moderate Republican.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think about Romney and his stance on abortion. He was raked over the coals as a "flip-flopper" because his views on abortion had changed over his lifetime. Good hell, I hope people are able to learn and grow and hear other viewpoints and sometimes change their own.

Agreed.
I dont get into politics too much (especially back when this happened) but i do remember this and told my wife that i see the term flip flopper as more of a compliment than an insult.

I hate that so many people just dig in their heels on any and every argument. People are so afraid of coming off as weak or uncommitted. They think its somehow honorable to stand up for what they think no matter what.
I am someone who thinks the opposite. I like people that are willing and able to change their mind and find honor and nobility in that.

 

[fishonjazz]

Think back to when you lost your virginity. Can you remember any details?

Speaking for myself the details are pretty vague. I could probably just call your mom and ask her how it went though at least.

(Hopefully i didnt offend you as it wasnt my intention. I just couldnt resist)

 

[Stars Fan]

It was never going to be an investigation and everybody tried to tell y’all that.

Right. No investigation. Got it.

The absence of evidence is not proof of guilt.

Can’t believe I have to say that.

If all it takes to doubt innocence is a claim with absolutely zero corroborating evidence, then we have failed as a people.

It is hard to find "evidence" when you are not looking for it. This is political cover pure and simple. You can't have it both ways. This investigation, in no way, clears Kavanaugh. If the FBI had talked to anyone about his drinking, or other friends in HS about what he was like, then you can clear his name. Lack of investigation means nothing.

 

[LogGrad98]

Think back to when you lost your virginity. Can you remember any details?

I remember mine pretty clearly. I was 13, and it was in a whorehouse in Singapore. There was a donkey there for some reason. She was 67 but still had a lot of spunk. Pretty sure opium was involved at some point, and a starfish that she had in her purse. People walking by on the street kept slipping money through the slot next to the window, and a few threw change at the glass, screaming at us. I never understood what they said, just that they were really mad or something. Except the one guy that started kissing the glass then started crying hysterically. The velvet couch was nice. Pretty sure that was in 1983.

 

[One Brow]

Could you at least nail down the year if you were going to have to testify about it before Congress.

She did specify the year, and before she was even asked to testify before Congress (it was in the original Washington Post article).

When you wonder why some people don't take your opinions seriously, it's because you say something factually wrong like this, have the error pointed out to you in a clear way, and then come back and make the same error again the next day.

 

[DutchJazzer]

some people said why would ford lied. you got to beleive her.

https://www.gofundme.com/help-christine-blasey-ford 500.000+ reasons to lie. and more reasons coming every minute

 

[JazzGal]

So she knew in advance that there would be GoFundMe accounts and she figured this was a great way to make money? Yeah, that's convincing.

 

[Gameface]

She did specify the year, and before she was even asked to testify before Congress (it was in the original Washington Post article).

When you wonder why some people don't take your opinions seriously, it's because you say something factually wrong like this, have the error pointed out to you in a clear way, and then come back and make the same error again the next day.

Wait until he starts telling you what you think and won't for the life of him or you or the rest of us allow you to tell him it's not true.

 

[Red]

I agree no one group has complete control. But before the advent of the internet is was very possible to have significant control of information.

It was also, at least to some degree, and in some subjects, possible to recognize a consensus reality. Myself, I am struggling, and it is a hell of a struggle, to understand and really wrap my head around the meaning of living in a Post Truth era. I feel I need to understand this.

I used to tell people if they wanted to understand the modern world, they needed to understand that we live in the Age of Conspiracy Theories. See all those capital letters? It's because I thought I had stumbled on an important insight, and just as historians speak of an Age of Enlightenment, I thought my insight was a good way to define an age, and defining an age requires capitalizing the description. Lol. Of course, it wasn't really my insight. But I did think it was as good a way as any to decribe the age I lived in.

There is still truth in that observation, methinks, but now it's back to the drawing board for me. The Post Truth Era. Post Truth is dangerous to democracy. I know that much, I think, but I have a long way to go to really understand, and I am not at all sure I am up to the task.

Make fun all you want, doesn't matter.

For the record, I am not making fun of you.

 

[Jonah]

It’s over. Flake and Collins now have the cover they needed. Kavanaugh will be confirmed this weekend and the ramifications of having a mini-Trump on the Supreme Court will be felt for 20 to 30 years.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Speaking for myself the details are pretty vague. I could probably just call your mom and ask her how it went though at least.

(Hopefully i didnt offend you as it wasnt my intention. I just couldnt resist)

Hmm. Your plan wouldn't work. She doesn't answer her phone anymore.

 

[♪alt13]

Do the reports that she was recently calling classmates to see if they could help her remember whether it was Brett or someone else who pulled his pants down matter to anyone?
I could figure these out precisely and easily.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's the point dip ****. You can't remember off the top of your head the date and time of an emotional experience. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means that most people don't check a clock and calendar in the midst of an emotional experience. That's not what sticks. Do you just play dumb or should I legitimately feel bad for you?