homeytennis
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Naz had a near triple double last night for the Stars in their win.
If not Rubio then what?
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LoPo
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Sad but probably true
Seriously, the best next step is to talk with Ricky about his being benched. If he can't deal with that, shop the **** out of him for everyone's benefit. This team does not need him. When he's good at putting the ball in the basket, everything changes, but when he's not, the effect is the opposite and he's closer to his averages now than he was when he got hot.
I have been worried about Ricky's play ever since Kokoskov got poached. He is largely responsible for the growth Ricky saw last year, and I don't think it's a coincidence that we've seen Ricky revert back to how he was.
I have been worried about Ricky's play ever since Kokoskov got poached. He is largely responsible for the growth Ricky saw last year, and I don't think it's a coincidence that we've seen Ricky revert back to how he was.
NAOS
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El Rubber Stamp
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If we dealing with Cavs I want Korver back as well.
LoPo
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Hill and Korver combine for $26.5+ in salaries so we would need to send out around $22+ in salaries to make the trade work.
Guys I would imagine we would be willing to send out in a trade like this:
Burks ($11.54)
Thabo ($5.25)
Udoh ($3.36)
Neto ($2.15)
Bradley ($1.68)
TOTAL $23
Neto isn't available for trade until January so we couldn't actually make this trade until January. I highly doubt we would trade Gobert, Crowder, Rubio, Mitchell, Favors, Grayson, or O'Neale for this type deal.
In addition, Korver is in demand right now and I don't think he is worth a draft pick he might get the Cavs from the Bucks, Lakers, Sixers, etc.
We're not getting Korver.
Hill might be obtainable because of the size of his salary, that he likely doesn't figure into the longterm plans + he's expiring, and that the league is flush with starter-quality PGs (and we somehow don't have one). They should also probably tank this year.
I wouldn't know where to send Rubio though.
I would trade Exum for Hill in a second but I'm probably of the minority opinion there.
Hill might be obtainable because of the size of his salary, that he likely doesn't figure into the longterm plans + he's expiring, and that the league is flush with starter-quality PGs (and we somehow don't have one). They should also probably tank this year.
I wouldn't know where to send Rubio though.
I would trade Exum for Hill in a second but I'm probably of the minority opinion there.
You are acting like I'm making an argument for Ricky, I'm not. And that's how you're pulling a Lopo.
Hill is 100% a floor general, at least he was with Utah.
The offense runs better with Rubio. That doesnt mean the offense always produces better results with Rubio. He obviously gets in his own way with his deficiencies. When he is playing at his best he is a giant positive to the offense. Last season in 2018 the Jazz were a +7.2 with Rubio on offense and +1.9 on defense.
But I'm not making the argument for Rubio. I'm making an argument for a floor general type so Mitchell doesn't feed into his own worst tendencies, because you should maximize your best player's strengths, not try to turn them into something they aren't. Maxing out his usage rate is a TERRIBLE idea.
MVP
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I would as well.
There are times when I want to trade Exum for Shelvin Mack.
LoPo
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First of all, who says Ricky is here to stay? He's a free agent at the end of the season and I'll be very surprised if he's re-signed. You're right, if Rubio hadn't started knocking down shots last year we wouldn't have gone on the run we did to end the year. But if he hadn't been terrible the first half of the season we wouldn't have dug such a big hole for ourselves and been 9 games under .500 at one point. He's playing terrible again so far this season and you can see how it's negatively impacting the Jazz. When Rubio's good he helps out a ton but when he's bad he really hurts the team. So what are we supposed to do, re-sign him to a long term deal and hope that he'll have a 30-40 game stretch every season where he play's well and just accept the fact that he's going to be awful the rest of the time? What kind of a ceiling does this team have if their starting point guard is good half the time and absolutely awful half the time? And this is all assuming he's gonna get hot at some point every year and start playing well, that might not happen. His play the second half of last season may have been a complete fluke.
LoPo
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If we begin the 2019-20 season with Rubio as our starting PG, DL might as well go ahead and trade Gobert, publicly apologize to Ingles for not trying harder, and plan on Mitchell leaving the first chance he gets.
If Rubio plays this way into January, we owe it to Ingles and Gobert to see what we can get for Rubio's expiring. One great half of a season should not mean unconditional love.
If Rubio plays this way into January, we owe it to Ingles and Gobert to see what we can get for Rubio's expiring. One great half of a season should not mean unconditional love.
What?
Me saying Rubi is our best PG option on our roster =/= me saying he is the long term answer.
Jazzta
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I don’t understand how you can associate a fluke with a whole 1/2 season? Game after game he was proving that he could shoot and was putting up great numbers. The reason I think he’s staying is because he’s Quin’s guy. Every coach has one.
You are tying yourself into pretzels.
'Rubio runs the offense well' is a complete non-sequitur when the offense suffers when he plays. It's ridiculous.
How do you figure he's Quins guy? I see Quin talking to Donovan and Joe during the game every bit as much as Ricky, if not more so.