2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Also, if you consider how much Kris Middleton is going to get paid this summer, Otto Porter starts to seem like a more viable option if the Jazz can swing a trade. The Jazz would have to move out Favors, Thabo and their trade exceptions. Washington would get a potential replacement for Dwight Howard and save on Otto's salary.

If the Jazz move Mitchell to the 1, play Grayson, Royce or Exum at the 2, play Otto at the 3, and let go of Rubio, they might still have some money to play with in free agency.

 

[Jazz]

Longer term, it may be in the Jazz's best interest to groom Mitchell as a PG. He doesn't need to be a pure, natural ball distributor, and he doesn't need to be ball dominant. He can be like a more athletic version of Chauncey Billups and be just fine. His ability to get his shoulder by his defender and break the paint, plus his passing ability, make him capable to play the PG.

Exum needs to keep working on his body, keep working on his shooting and probably be a point-forward type like (a poorer version of) Andre Iguodala. I'm just not sure if he'll every quite be a starting caliber player.

How about quin just give Dante a go first and then let's talk. He never gets a chance to play only when it's garbage time. Whenever he plays he plays in the corner. I definitely agree he needs to get stronger put on pounds. Jazz need athleticism. Donovan is a great talent. I do think he's a shooting guard though.

 

[LogGrad98]

NBA Execs and coaches are geniuses. Just ask @LogGrad98 and all the other DontQuestionNBAexecs guys here, they will tell you.

Not geniuses. Pretty sure they know more than you. I mean maybe not, I guess you might have the inside track on every deal, after all you are a fan that can look at stats, so you obviously would know more than any exec in the league. Sorry to have doubted you in all your brilliance. Please lead us to the next Michael Jordan.

 

[Jingled]

Also, if you consider how much Kris Middleton is going to get paid this summer, Otto Porter starts to seem like a more viable option if the Jazz can swing a trade. The Jazz would have to move out Favors, Thabo and their trade exceptions. Washington would get a potential replacement for Dwight Howard and save on Otto's salary.

If the Jazz move Mitchell to the 1, play Grayson, Royce or Exum at the 2, play Otto at the 3, and let go of Rubio, they might still have some money to play with in free agency.

I think the Jazz would likely play Porter at power forward, I think he'd make a great stretch 4 for us. Also if we start him at the 3 we'd likely have to go with Crowder at the 4 and we would lose Ingles shooting and playmaking in the starting lineup. I also hope we'd be able to find a better option at starting shooting guard than Grayson, Exum or Royce. I don't think Exum or Grayson are ready to start and Royce is just so limited offensively.

 

[Hotdog]

Not geniuses. Pretty sure they know more than you. I mean maybe not, I guess you might have the inside track on every deal, after all you are a fan that can look at stats, so you obviously would know more than any exec in the league. Sorry to have doubted you in all your brilliance. Please lead us to the next Michael Jordan.

Recognizing basketball talent is not some special thing. It doesnt take a lot skill to do. You try to put these people on a pedestal as if they have a rare talent or something. Its not the same as programming a computer, building a highway, or building an engine. Those are the type of things, that yes, you leave to the professional because unless you have studied it and done it yourself, you cant demonstrate you can do better. There is a real chance that a 10 year old child who just likes basketball could assemble a team just as good or better than any GM in the league. There is a lot of luck involved. A 10 year old child who likes cars, probably wouldn't be able to luck his way into building an engine. You see the difference?

So no, I dont blindly accept the decisions of NBA execs. Ive watched them fall on their faces more often than not, and I know you have too. So Im not sure why you feel the need to use that against me, when you yourself Im sure has questioned decisions made by NBA execs.

Even if it did take a special skill set recognize basketball talent, how would you even know if these execs do more than me? There are only a handful of these jobs. Do you think the number of people who could do the job ends at the number of jobs available? And everyone of these jobs has been filled with the very best every time?

I can actually prove with previous posts on here where I have demonstrated that I recognized the talent earlier than probably all the execs. For example, I was very high on Spencer Dinwiddie when he was a 3rd stringer on Detroits bench. He could have been easily had by any NBA including the Jazz. But no one but the Nets went for him. Including no one on this forum. How do you explain that?

 

[Miggs]

Welcome back, Hack.

 

[Hotdog]

And what are you referencing to think he might someday be good? His draft position? His religion?

Jabari, btw, is now out of the Bulls rotation. 4 and 0 minutes the last two games.

Im referencing his play. I could literally show 1000's of highlights that show he is a good basketball player. I could post comparable statistics to very good NBA players that he has put up time after time. When given the minutes he has been very good. Im referencing, you know, reality.

Him being benched is not an indictment of his play, but more of Jim Boylen being a psycho. A week into his tenure the team forced two meetings. One of players only and one with the coaches for the reason of how to address his ridiculous hardcore style, that also prompted the players to contact NBPA. Which has also prompted news outlets and fans to question and criticize Boylen. So him being benched, means absolutely jack ****,...in my humble opinion. But you are welcome to believe what you want.

 

[Kyoto]

Im referencing his play. I could literally show 1000's of highlights that show he is a good basketball player.

LOL... hyperbole meant as a factual statement. God, LITERALLY 1000s... you're full of crap



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[Hotdog]

LOL... hyperbole meant as a factual statement. God, LITERALLY 1000s... you're full of crap



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Lets say a video of highlights he scores 20pts 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 1 stl, and 1 rbnd. Thats a highlight reel of roughly 20 plays(highlights). How many full game highlight videos would I need to post to reach 1000?

You have 30 seconds.
(Jeopardy music plays)

 

[Kyoto]

Lets say a video of highlights he scores 20pts 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 1 stl, and 1 rbnd. Thats a highlight reel of roughly 20 plays(highlights). How many full game highlight videos would I need to post to reach 1000?

You have 30 seconds.
(Jeopardy music plays)

So what you're saying is that if a player scores then that's a highlight?? There are John Amaechi Utah Jazz highlights then, if that's your definition of a highlight LOL.

 

[infection]

So what you're saying is that if a player scores then that's a highlight?? There are John Amaechi Utah Jazz highlights then, if that's your definition of a highlight LOL.

Actually, I don’t know that there are. In his two years with us, he scored more than 10 points twice.

 

[LoPo]

Actually, I don’t know that there are. In his two years with us, he scored more than 10 points twice.

I love the slow mo at the 1:00 mark. You think for sure that he's about to throw down....

 

[The Midnight]

Jazz are reportedly interested in Parker.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/...trade-season-primer?__twitter_impression=true

 

[LoPo]

Jazz are reportedly interested in Parker.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/...trade-season-primer?__twitter_impression=true

This doesn't shock me. I hate his salary, but I'm not as worried about his fit as some others on here.

I think there would be a riot if we traded Favors for Jabari. Some people would lose their minds.

"The Utah Jazz are one of the teams interested in Parker, according to multiple league sources. Derrick Favors is an awkward fit next to center Rudy Gobert, and his $16.9 million on the books for next season is non-guaranteed, meaning he could be one of the pieces involved. Favors can’t be traded until January 15, so Chicago would have to wait. Would it be worth it? The Bulls are loaded with young bigs, so it’s hard to see them taking back Favors unless additional assets are included. Utah has all of its future picks, except for a 2020 second-rounder going to the Cavaliers, and has two other seconds incoming.

Parker’s value has diminished, but the Jazz are desperate for offense. They rank 23rd in offensive rating this season, and last in offensive rating in the fourth quarter. Parker doesn’t care about playing defense, but the rest of the team does; if they can help him get stops, maybe he can help them buy a bucket."

 

[LoPo]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/12/17/18144188/nba-trade-season-primer

Also according to the article:

The Last Step Before the Knicks’ Star Chase Begins
The Knicks still have some work to do in order to pursue a superstar next summer. With a projected salary cap of $109 million for the 2019-20 season, it will require about $33 million to sign a max free agent with seven to nine years of experience, like Kyrie Irving, or about $38 million to sign one with at least 10 years of experience, like Kevin Durant. The Knicks can create about $29 million in cap space by renouncing the rights to all of their free agents except for Kristaps Porzingis (a restricted free agent), Trey Burke, and Noah Vonleh. (Enes Kanter’s $27.9 million cap hold will have to be renounced, so I wonder whether the Knicks will consider trading him ahead of the deadline.) Depending on where they draft in the first round, they might not even have enough to sign Irving.

The way to free up enough money to sign a superstar is to trade Courtney Lee (owed $12.8 million in 2019-20) or Tim Hardaway Jr. (owed up to $19 million through 2020-21 with a 15 percent trade kicker), but that might not be easy given their diminished values.

Hardaway is averaging 21 points, but his scoring efficiency is subpar and he’s being paid too much for the limited role he should be playing. Lee has missed 25 games with a neck injury and hasn’t looked himself when he’s been available. Neither player is large enough to defend bigger wings effectively. Contending teams might pass on both given the salary commitment. Front-office sources expect that the Knicks will have to attach an asset to dump Hardaway or Lee. The trouble will be finding a team willing to aid their cause.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I’m confused?? How does Parker help the jazz? He doesn’t play defense, and is shooting 29% from three, and currently on a 2 year 40 million dollar contract. Unless his second year is a team option, the jazz are fielding basically the same team next year.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

The good news is there’s a rumor the jazz are interested in trading for Parker which probably means they actually aren’t interested in Parker. Lol

 

[infection]

I’m confused?? How does Parker help the jazz? He doesn’t play defense, and is shooting 29% from three, and currently on a 2 year 40 million dollar contract. Unless his second year is a team option, the jazz are fielding basically the same team next year.

You don't have to guarantee the second year. The reality is that we have no offense. Donovan has struggled, but I attribute a lot of that to the defense not having to have any other focus. When our other guys can light it up, we look unstoppable, every 2-3 games, but more often than not we're clanking stuff and the defense has no other responsibility than to stop Mitchell and keep the ball out of Joe's hands. His presence takes some defensive pressure off the rest of people and, despite his bad shooting percentages, who would command more defensive attention while standing behind the arc -- Favors or Jabari?

 

[LoPo]

I’m confused?? How does Parker help the jazz? He doesn’t play defense, and is shooting 29% from three, and currently on a 2 year 40 million dollar contract. Unless his second year is a team option, the jazz are fielding basically the same team next year.

Just like the article said - he can score and we need help scoring.

Next year is a team option. So if he doesn't fit or help us out, we let him walk.

 

[LoPo]

The way I see it, go all in on right now. We do our best by Gobert and Ingles to put the best team possible around them.

Trade Rubio and Niang for Jabari (I would want something else minor in return)
then
Trade Favors for Hardaway and Ntilikina

For this season and next, we have the following guys under contract:
Gobert
Donovan
Ingles
Hardaway
Jabari (if we want to bring him back next year)
Korver
Crowder
Ntilikina
Exum
Royce
Allen
Bradley
After next season, Korver retires and we make a decision on Crowder, Royce, Bradley and maybe Jabari.

So through Mitchell's rookie deal, we do our best by the aging roster that we have. Once Mitchell goes to sign a new contract in 2021, we have cap space to go in a new, younger direction led by him. By that time, Hardaway, Ingles, Gobert, Korver, Crowder, Jabari and Crowder are gone or are unrestricted free agents. And maybe we have proven to be a better, more attractive franchise that can attract another big fish or two to join Mitchell.