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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

The bad news is that Memphis has shown they are willing to not deal if they feel insulted by an offer. They did it last year with Evans and he was expiring! With Conley they can hold onto him and trade him in the off-season.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hart is fine... Zubac is in the last year of his deal. Flip Zubac for Wagner and add another first.

Remember NO didn't initiate this process... the Lakers did through AD's agent. NO always wanted to wait... Lakers are not justified in being pissed here. They. Didn't. Want. To. Trade. Him.

So Lakers can add more to the pile.
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Letting the deadline pass and just putting him on the bench for half a year, would be a super awkward situation.

It's a very good haul and let's you put that matter behind you, and assess how the pieces fit. and what you want to do in the off-season.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The bad news is that Memphis has shown they are willing to not deal if they feel insulted by an offer. They did it last year with Evans and he was expiring! With Conley they can hold onto him and trade him in the off-season.
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Locke brought this up... I'm cool with them doing it. If they shut them down like Evans they should be fined to high heavens. They lost out on assets because of pride last year... repeating the same mistake won't raise Conley and Gasol's trade value. One of those guys gets hurt and the contracts are albatrosses.

They should be more desperate than us... we can't fix stupid. I think they are likely waiting until the buzzer for something better to pop up hoping we will give more. May be shopping Rubio/Favs to teams with less valuable expirings for seconds. I feel like a first and a second plus expirings is fair... they haven't found anything that is clearly better.

The other issue is Gasol and what he nets... so its a difficult dance for them... I get why they are taking their time.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Letting the deadline pass and just putting him on the bench for half a year, would be a super awkward situation.

It's a very good haul and let's you put that matter behind you, and assess how the pieces fit. and what you want to do in the off-season.
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I agree.

Everybody just thinks Boston can pull off a Paul George/OKC scenario. Paul George said he wanted LA but never, through any source, said he didn't want a place like OKC. Not only did AD say he wanted Lakers, Bucks, Knicks or Clippers, some of his circle has said he doesn't want Boston.

The Pelicans are risking way too much by not trading AD for this haul. If stingy Ainge keeps Tatum off limits, New Orleans is looking at a package built around Brown and 4 picks in the upcoming weak draft vs maybe a weaker offer from LA than this one.
 
So it's been reported that the Pistons offer to the Grizzlies includes Reggie Jackson and an unprotected first round pick. Since they traded their 2018 pick to get Griffin they can't trade their 2019 pick, so they're likely offering their 2020 1st. Isn't next years draft supposed to be way better than this years?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Locke brought this up... I'm cool with them doing it. If they shut them down like Evans they should be fined to high heavens. They lost out on assets because of pride last year... repeating the same mistake won't raise Conley and Gasol's trade value. One of those guys gets hurt and the contracts are albatrosses.

They should be more desperate than us... we can't fix stupid. I think they are likely waiting until the buzzer for something better to pop up hoping we will give more. May be shopping Rubio/Favs to teams with less valuable expirings for seconds. I feel like a first and a second plus expirings is fair... they haven't found anything that is clearly better.

The other issue is Gasol and what he nets... so its a difficult dance for them... I get why they are taking their time.
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They wont shut him down this early. He played the other night.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Letting the deadline pass and just putting him on the bench for half a year, would be a super awkward situation.

It's a very good haul and let's you put that matter behind you, and assess how the pieces fit. and what you want to do in the off-season.
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I think they move him... but they have not quite gotten to LA's best deal yet... it has gotten better. LA hasn't walked away.

They may very well be prepared to sit him (or send him away from the team) and would be justified in doing so... they didn't start this... there was tampering... I don't think the league could step in and force them to risk this now.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The bad news is that Memphis has shown they are willing to not deal if they feel insulted by an offer. They did it last year with Evans and he was expiring! With Conley they can hold onto him and trade him in the off-season.
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They can, but the market has been pretty soft for Conley due to his age and cost. Memphis needs a playoff contender that needs to upgrade at PG, and there aren't many of those. If the Jazz lose interest or lose tradable assets by this summer, the market gets even softer.
 
Jingled said:
So it's been reported that the Pistons offer to the Grizzlies includes Reggie Jackson and an unprotected first round pick. Since they traded their 2018 pick to get Griffin they can't trade their 2019 pick, so they're likely offering their 2020 1st. Isn't next years draft supposed to be way better than this years?
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Not how it works...only counts future picks not past.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They wont shut him down this early. He played the other night.
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Probably... then they win a few extra games and screw up the tank. They are dumb if they wait... but you can't fix stupid.
 
Jingled said:
So it's been reported that the Pistons offer to the Grizzlies includes Reggie Jackson and an unprotected first round pick. Since they traded their 2018 pick to get Griffin they can't trade their 2019 pick, so they're likely offering their 2020 1st. Isn't next years draft supposed to be way better than this years?
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I can't imagine Conley fetching an unprotected first two years from now. Especially from a team with such dysfunction.
 
Jingled said:
So it's been reported that the Pistons offer to the Grizzlies includes Reggie Jackson and an unprotected first round pick. Since they traded their 2018 pick to get Griffin they can't trade their 2019 pick, so they're likely offering their 2020 1st. Isn't next years draft supposed to be way better than this years?
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Since the 2018 draft has passed, Detroit can now trade their 2019 first rounder.
 
I'll bet Ainge called NO and told them Tatum would be the centerpiece of their offer this summer.

As good as Kuzma is, he's not viewed as a possible star like Tatum. Plus Boston has draft assets that would be better than LA with Lebron and AD. Id love to see Boston trade for AD, have him stay one year and then leave. But Boston is smart. Getting AD likely means Irving re-signs.
 
LoPo said:
I agree.

Everybody just thinks Boston can pull off a Paul George/OKC scenario. Paul George said he wanted LA but never, through any source, said he didn't want a place like OKC. Not only did AD say he wanted Lakers, Bucks, Knicks or Clippers, some of his circle has said he doesn't want Boston.

The Pelicans are risking way too much by not trading AD for this haul. If stingy Ainge keeps Tatum off limits, New Orleans is looking at a package built around Brown and 4 picks in the upcoming weak draft vs maybe a weaker offer from LA than this one.
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Look the Lakers current offer is fine... but they can do more... offering 2 picks with the young guys... NO said hey we want 4... which I'm not sure is possible.

When the trade happens it is likely all the stuff plus 3 picks... it is worth waiting out the extra pick. LA is going to be more awkward in 3 days than NO is if a trade doesn't go through. What if Boston didn't get that one extra pick from Brooklyn that becomes Tatum, Brown, or gets traded for Kyrie.
 
Jack Strop said:
I'll bet Ainge called NO and told them Tatum would be the centerpiece of their offer this summer.

As good as Kuzma is, he's not viewed as a possible star like Tatum. Plus Boston has draft assets that would be better than LA with Lebron and AD. Id love to see Boston trade for AD, have him stay one year and then leave. But Boston is smart. Getting AD likely means Irving re-signs.
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Right now, we have a staring contest between LA and NOLA. In the summer, it's going to be a staring contest between AD and Ainge. If AD doesn't commit to signing an extension in Boston, they aren't trading Tatum.

New Orleans is risking way too much to let this trade pass them by.
 
Also I'll bet you NO is really enjoying poking the Lakers... it is a little fun before a not-fun rebuild.
 
LoPo said:
Right now, we have a staring contest between LA and NOLA. In the summer, it's going to be a staring contest between AD and Ainge. If AD doesn't commit to signing an extension in Boston, they aren't trading Tatum.

New Orleans is risking way too much to let this trade pass them by.
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So if they say no today they can't accept in two days? Lakers will do more just wait... NO hasn't even countered and LA is bidding up the price on themselves.
 
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